I was not discussing about force or a people's
revolution. I posed a question about the discussions
really being about transfer of power from one
discredited group to another.

Ukraine is not a relevant example! In Ukraine, it is
really about 2 groups fighting the polls. Which is not
what we see here.

--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >Right. But how is it "reforms" when the discussions
> >are with one group of discredited power brokers
> (the
> >liberators) about how they could share or take
> power
> >from another group (the local political class)?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *** The question of force comes into the picture
> when the 
> institutions of democracy fail to perform. In this
> instance Indian 
> democracy could not, peacefully, help usher in the
> required reforms 
> and changes.
> 
> 
> But we can look at Ukraine right now. There the
> party in power realized that
> if they did not give into reform demands and
> attempted either to 
> stonewall or stifle the demands of the people by
> brute force ( as 
> India did to Assam twenty five years ago), then
> violence-- civil 
> war--was sure to break-out, with even outside powers
> pitching in, 
> such as western European  powers or even the USA and
> thus turning 
> into a confrontation with Russia as well. That could
> have caused a 
> huge conflict that no one was looking for.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 9:58 AM -0800 12/9/04, Rajib Das wrote:
> >  > Without reforms, what we get is what we have.
> And
> >>  surely it will only
> >>  get worse, as we have seen over the last quarter
> >>  century, and just
> >>  like it was predicted
> >>  by thoughtful observers.
> >>
> >>  That is why.
> >>
> >
> >Right. But how is it "reforms" when the discussions
> >are with one group of discredited power brokers
> (the
> >liberators) about how they could share or take
> power
> >from another group (the local political class)?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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