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>* Why is AASU copying Shiv Sena or even Ranvir
> Sena? One answer is that these Senas have been
>successful in whatever they might have attempted to
> achieve.If they had been failures, they would not be
>emulated. Would they ?
To answer your first question - I would attempt this.
First, AASU may not have actually intended to copy.
And even if they did that itself is not a problem.
I think we are all guilt of emulating others at one
time or another. No sin there.
But your idea that Shiv Sena is/was successful --
thats a huge stretch.
How do you measure success? What are the standards.
The Shiv Sena has had a history of being violent,
parochial,etc. If that is success, for whom is it?
Certainly not for Maharastrians, businesses, and for
the country as a whole.
Now, is that what AASU wants to emulate? The name
itself is no big deal. And we have had some
experiences ourselves (about names, for our yearly
Kharkhowa meets :)). What matters is the underlying
intent, and the people behind such senas.
If AASA is able to convince us (in the future) all
that this new sena has been good for Assam, its
people, and has also been peaceful, then there may be
a more positive meaning to the word Sena.
The proof is in the pudding.
>* If that is true, then we have to ask first WHY
> these 'senas' were born, and HOW they succeeded,
>partially at least?
Senas can be born for a variety of reasons (of
frustrations). Many a time these are legit. The more
important question to ask is, what approach is this
sena going to take? The violent ULFA way, or a
peaceful, but formidiable force, that can protest
peacefully, and file lawsuits at the same time (state
rights) where necessary as corrrections.
--Ram
--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ram,
>
>
> But how can you have Xaanti, if you have no Mukti
> :-)? BTW, B'desh
> had both, Mukti Bahini and later Shanti Bahini. I
> think their armed
> forces are still called Shanti Bahini.
>
>
>
> But seriously, I think it really does not matter
> what the movement is
> called. It is a false issue. The real issue is:
>
>
> * Why is AASU copying Shiv Sena or even Ranvir
> Sena?
>
>
> One answer is that these Senas have been successful
> in
> whatever they might have attempted to
> achieve.If they had been
> failures, they would not be emulated. Would
> they ?
>
>
> * If that is true, then we have to ask first WHY
> these 'senas'
> were born, and HOW they succeeded, partially at
> least?
>
>
> Now that would be a worthwhile exercise, wouldn't
> it. But it will
> also mean we will have to delve into issues that we
> are so very
> allergic to. Who needs that :-)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 5:46 AM -0800 12/22/04, ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >Dear Barua,
> >
> >>named it 'Oxom Bahini' or simply 'Xanti Bahini',
> if
> >>they are meant to preserve peace). But no,
> Assamese
> >>will have to emulate their big Indian brothers in
> >>evry step.
> >
> >Of course, in that case they would be emulating
> their
> >Bangladeshi elders (Mukti Bahini). :)
> >
> >But I like Xanti Bahini, which at least signals
> that
> >its a peace movement.
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >--- Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> >AASU and Shiv Sena have had similarilities in
> the
> >> >recent past - the latest one being the beating
> up
> >> of
> >> >Bihari job seekers in Railways.
> >>
> >> >I wonder what the liberals on this board would
> say
> >> >about such an idealogy, if indeed Assam Sena
> has
> >> such
> >> >an idealogy.
> >>
> >> Of course, the Assamese boys would have to
> emulate
> >> their Indian elder
> >> brothers, they will have to have 'Assam Sena'
> >> because their Indian elder
> >> brothers have 'Shiv Sena'. What I am surprised
> is
> >> that they did not name it
> >> 'Lachit Sena'. (If they wanted to show some
> >> originality, they could have
> >> named it 'Oxom Bahini' or simply 'Xanti Bahini',
> if
> >> they are meant to
> >> preserve peace). But no, Assamese will have to
> >> emulate their big Indian
> >> brothers in evry step.
> >>
> >> This basically shows that however loud we try to
> >> shout "Assam Nation"
> >> aganist the ugly Indians, the fact is Assamese
> are
> >> completely under the
> >> spell of mainstream India. This also shows
> that,
> >> however strongly we try to
> >> deny, culturally Assam is a part of great India.
> In
> >> religion, Assamese are
> >> following Hindutva (ignoring Xong.kordev), in
> >> literature Assamese are
> >> copying the Bengalis, in movies Assamese are
> copying
> >> Bollywood (film-makers
> >> with originality like Jhanu Barua etc are trying
> >> hard to get out of Assam).
> >> Whether it is AASU, or AGP, or ULFA, or Cong(I),
> it
> >> is the same 'tilika'
> >> Assamese mind. Assamese are basically followers
> of
> >> the Indian main-stream.
> >> One would simply hope that in the process,
> Assamese
> >> would try to learn
> >> something good out of the ugly Indians.
> >> Hobo Diok.
> >> Rajen Barua
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rajib Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "J Kalita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Alpana B.
> >> Sarangapani"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Cc: <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:50 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] 'Oxom-Xena'
> >>
> >>
> >> > Isn't the Assam Sena a rip off of the
> obviously
> >> > original one - Shiv Sena of Bal Thackeray? I
> don't
> >> > know where the emulation will begin from - but
> in
> >> its
> >> > essence it is a fire and brimstone Hindu
> >> chauvinist
> >> > party (and earlier, beating up of the
> "madrasis"
> >> in
> >> > Mumbai). The 2 constant factors in the party
> >> was/is to
> >> > use street power to hit at opponents of
> various
> >> hues
> >> > and the party president for life with absolute
> > > powers
> >> > for life. The other thing was the constant
> over
> >> the
> >> > ground extortion business that the Shiv Sena
> >> indulged
> >> > in.
> >> >
> >> > AASU and Shiv Sena have had similarilities in
> the
> > > > recent past - the latest one being the
> beating up
> >> of
> >> > Bihari job seekers in Railways.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder what the liberals on this board would
> say
> >> > about such an idealogy, if indeed Assam Sena
> has
> >> such
> >> > an idealogy. I also wonder whether some of
> them
> >> would
> >> > be ok with such an idealogy in Assam when they
> are
> >> on
> >> > the right side of the spectrum.
> >> >
> >> > Finally it is a bit ironic - the original Sena
> >> (Aka
> >> > the Shiv Sena) is somewhat on geriatric row
> what
> >> with
> >> > Bal Thackeray being old and ill and their
> street
> >> thugs
> >> > being outnumbered by others in Mumbai because
> the
>
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