> Question is now what? What to do. Just follow the Golden Rule. Those who have the gold, make the rule, always. Rajen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Now What? > I think all of you folks indignant with the US State Dept. for not > giving a visa to Modi are right. Modi's fault is that he is a Hindu, > and CM of a Hindu state. Thus his war against the Muslims is not as > just as the US war against the Muslims. All Modi did was turn a blind > eye while Gujarat burned. He did not even declare a war like the US > did on Iraq. > > After all the BJP did to support US policies, this is what the BJP > poster-boy, Modi, gets!! You can't win for losing, can you? > > Question is now what? > > > > > At 1:02 PM -0600 3/19/05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: > >I agree again. > > > >While killing people in a real warfield or killing by instigating or > >supporting (directly or indirectly and not stopping it, even > >when you have the ability - administrativel power to stop it) a > >riot, is the same thing, it depends on how today's "civilized" > >people see it. > > > >In a civilized society, a war gives the license to kill to the killers. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Barua25" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "Rajib Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chan Mahanta" > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "umesh sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >><assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu> > >>Subject: Re: [Assam] From the ToI/US denies visa to Modi-some more > >>Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:20:22 -0600 > >> > >>I think the case of "war" (which is always considered a "just war" by the > >>country involved) applies in this case which differentiate between people > >>getting killed in war and and people being killing for ethnic cleansing. > >>I found out that 4000 American soldiers were killed in the liberation for > >>Italy during WWII ( I think about 50000 Italians). > >>Now 1500 American soldiers got killed in Iraq war. > >>War does not bring amy guilt feeling to any country. Only case of guilt we > >>find in history was the case of Ashoka with the Kallinga war where he felt > >>so much guilt that he changed his religion to Buddhism which many attribute > >>to the eventual downfall of the empire. > >>This is the norm of our present phase of civilization!!! > >>Kill or get killed. > >>Rajen Barua > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Rajib Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "umesh sharma" > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu> > >>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:54 AM > >>Subject: Re: [Assam] From the ToI/US denies visa to Modi-some more > >> > >> > >> > If body count be the metric on which guilt is > >> > established, I wonder whether we need to wonder at all > >> > as to who is a more guilty person - Bush (and > >> > Rumsfield)or Narendra Modi. By conservative estimates > >> > they would have killed 100 times over. Oh yes, they > >> > also got as many of their own (American soldiers) > >> > killed. > >> > > >> > So, shall we say, the position espoused in this e-mail > >> > is a demonstration of typical American disregard of > >> > law. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Umesh: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >So with that analogy -- it doesn't seem that US is > >> > > taking that > >> > > >extreme step -- so does US really blame Modi for > >> > > hindu-muslim riots. > >> > > >I do not see US doing anything when riots are going > >> > > on anywhere - > >> > > >unless the terrorists bomb US -like in Sep11. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > There are limits, boundaries which even a Bush > >> > > admin. or Wolfowitz or > >> > > Rumsfeldt would not cross, and should not. The > >> > > pogrom of Muslims in > >> > > Gujarat is a horrible stigma to the Indian > >> > > civilization. But that > >> > > notwithstanding, the USA cannot and should not > >> > > attempt to intervene > >> > > militarily. It should have ( I don't know if it did) > >> > > intervened > >> > > diplomatically. My guess would be is that it did, > >> > > perhaps to no > >> > > avail. But that is not an US failure: It was a > >> > > singularly Indian > >> > > failure. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Therefore, your doubts, as expressed in the > >> > > question" So why this > >> > > nonsense?" is an illustration of more of the same: > >> > > An appalling > > > > > Indian disregard to the rule of law. > >> > > > >> > > c-da > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > At 2:24 AM +0000 3/19/05, umesh sharma wrote: > >> > > >C-da, > >> > > > > >> > > >I cannot agree or disagree with you since the issue > >> > > u mention about > >> > > >Indira Gnadhi and Indian Americans reactions about > >> > > many issues - > >> > > >since I do not know anything about them. > >> > > > > >> > > >However, I would say that if my neighbour is > >> > > butchering his or her > >> > > >children -- I would enter by force --and stop > >> > > her/him. > >> > > > > >> > > >So with that analogy -- it doesn't seem that US is > >> > > taking that > >> > > >extreme step -- so does US really blame Modi for > >> > > hindu-muslim riots. > >> > > >I do not see US doing anything when riots are going > >> > > on anywhere - > >> > > >unless the terrorists bomb US -like in Sep11. > >> > > > > >> > > >So why this nonsense? > >> > > > > >> > > >Umesh > >> > > > > >> > > >Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >Hi Umesh: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >At 9:58 PM +0000 3/18/05, umesh sharma wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >>C-da, > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >I am not an expert on international visa law- but > >> > > if we start giving > >> > > >visas based on our perception of what happens in > >> > > other countries > >> > > >--then I would say that we are interfering in the > >> > > affairs of that > >> > > >nation. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >*** There is no such thing as Int'l Visa Laws. Each > >> > > country has its > >> > > >own rules, and often have agreements or > >> > > understandings for > >> > > >reciprocity etc. with other countries. And the more > >> > > powerful or > >> > > >influential a nation is, the more arbitrary they > >> > > can get about what > >> > > >they choose to do. > >> > > > > >> > > >However the US not granting a visa to Modi or > >> > > whoever, does not > >> > > >constitute interference with another country's > >> > > internal affairs. > >> > > >That complaint of interfering with the internal > >> > > affairs of another > >> > > >country usually emanates from people attempting to > >> > > keep their > >> > > >internal dirt under their rug. Unfortunately, or > >> > > fortunately in this > >> > > >case :-), there are people here in the USA who have > >> > > an interest in > >> > > >what goes on in India. I am certainly pleased to > >> > > see that the > >> > > >progressive desis here including Muslims ( I don't > >> > > automatically > >> > > >exclude them) > >> > > >chose to raise their voice and send a signal. > >> > > > > >> > > >Not that it is going to hurt Modi. If anything he > >> > > will now be a > >> > > >greater hero to all his supporters, all those > >> > > rioteous :-) Hindus > >> > > >who believe that India is theirs and Muslims don't > >> > > belong there. Who > >> > > >knows, he might become the supreme leader of the > >> > > BJP now. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >I do not know whether it is supposed to be ethical > >> > > that if there is > >> > > >a fight going on in a neighbor's house -- then you > >> > > stop letting a > >> > > >member from that family into your own house. That > >> > > is what Modi's > >> > > >visa stoppal amounts to be. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >*** Good analogy. What do you think? Would you > >> > > consider your > >> > > >neighborly and human duty to interfere with the guy > >> > > next-door > >> > > >attempting to butcher his children? What do you > >> > > think of Indira > >> > > >Gandhi's interfering with Pakistan's internal > >> > > affair when they were > >> > > >slaughtering B'Deshis? > >> > > > > >> > > >c-da > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >Umesh > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >PS: I mentioned about the truth being what the > >> > > powerful say -- an > >> > > >instance -- the Union Carbide (USA's MNC) killed > >> > > 10,000 people in > >> > > >Bhopal in Dec 1984 and maimed 200,000 (and thats a > >> > > very hard and > >> > > >concrete fact) . > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Still India dare not ban it from its land --for the > >> > > fear that all US > >> > > >based MNCs would stop coming to India or that India > >> > > would stop > >> > > >getting defense supplies from powerful USA. If > >> > > India had been > >> > > >powerful - its truth would have prevailed and Union > > > > > Carbide (and its > >> > > >current owner Dupont) would be banned from India. > >> > > But weak India > >> > > >cannot implement something which is the truest of > >> > > the truths > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >*** Business-interests often trump justice, doesn't > >> > > it? What do you > >> > > >think of it? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > === message truncated ===> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Assam mailing list > >> > > Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > >> > > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > >> > > > >> > > Mailing list FAQ: > >> > > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > >> > > To unsubscribe or change options: > >> > > http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > Yahoo! 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