C'da, >What is it about Bengali speaking Muslims that you so abhor, but have no trouble >with Hindi speaking Hindus swamping Assam? Can you explain your rationale >rationally?
I don't know where and how you came up with this. I have never articulated as such. If these Muslim Bengalis are INDIAN, I see no problem. But illegal B'deshis be they Muslims, Hindus or whatever would be one. If they are illegal, they should all be deported, and it doesn't matter if they are Muslims or Hindus. > Why is it that most of Assam's productive land that the British took > over without compensation, depriving generations of the indigenous > people of Assam their property Can't speak for the British. What they did or did not, the natives had no conrol, and so there is little use crying over spilt milk. --Ram On 5/24/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 6:16 PM -0500 5/24/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >C'da, > > > >>B'Deshis continue to come because they GET work. Let them come and be tax > >>paying workers. But take away the property ownership possibility. Take it > >>away from non-Assamese Indians as well. > > > >You can't be serious? What if the US were to follow your advice, and > >institute something like no non-Texan can own property or no > >non-Missouiran can own propert unless they are blue-eyed/blonde? Would > >that jell with you? > > > *** Why can't I be serious Ram ? > > And why must Assam adhere to Texas standards? Does India adhere to > American standards? It has nothing to do with color of skin or color > of eyes. > > Why is it that most of Assam's productive land that the British took > over without compensation, depriving generations of the indigenous > people of Assam their property, and later sold to those from > outsiders when they left? Is it that right? > > > > >Whatever happened to that one world, no borders solution? If I > >remember correct, you had advocated as such, several years ago. > > > *** I did? Must have been a different avatar of myself Ram. Even > though I like the idea and can live with it myself, I don't see YOU > accepting any such thing? What is it about Bengali speaking Muslims > that you so abhor, but have no trouble with Hindi speaking Hindus > swamping Assam? Can you explain your rationale rationally? > > > > >FYI, Assam is still an integral part of India, and there are many > >Assamese who also hold property as far away as B'lore or Mumbai (and > >the US). > > *** That is their choice. > > > >Your solution would be let illegal B'deshis in and give them the > >red-carpet, but as for "Indians" ... oh well! > > > *** Is the reading comprehension disability ailment beginning to infect you > too > Ram :-). Did not realize it was that infectious. > > > > >Don't tell us that all these years in the US has made you parochial? :-) > >and don't you just hate those darn Injuns! :-) > > > >--Ram > > *** The rationale I am using is something out of your book of > ethics Ram, not something I made up :-). > > c-da > > > > > > > > > >On 5/24/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >X-Authentication-Warning: aazoli.cstp.umkc.edu: agent set sender to > >> >boohra-luit using -f > >> >X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:31:13 -0500 > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >Subject: Re: IMDT act > >> > > >> >Glad I rattled your cage, Kaustabh. > >> > > >> >OK, fine, go ahead call me email-mahanta :). But don't triple copy your > >> >posts--all of you. When you post the response to asssam or luitporia, we > >> >get all the copies we need. > >> > > >> >>Under the circumstances, I am surprised and bemused when I keep > >>hearing about > >> >>removing > >> >>illegal immigrants from assam. Give me a break. It is not going > >>to happen, so > >> >>let us be > >> >>realistic. It is also inhuman to put a suspected illegal immigrant > >> through > >> >>Indias court system. > >> >>Why can we not talk about more realistic solutions. > >> > > >> >I agree, but with some caveats: > >> > > >> >First there is no ONE solution. There must be a number of measures that > >> >will have to work in concert. That could include: > >> > > >> >a. Border security ( is BSF an Assam responsibility or Central one?) > >> >b. ID cards--maybe > >> >c. Work permits, to allow B'deshis to come work in Assam, like the > >> Mexican > >> >migrant workers, but cannot become voters or citizens. > >> >d. Introduce laws that would prevent property ownership by other than > >> >Assamese, a-la-Hawaii. > >> >e. Break the bones of all those who cry wolf, like the Hindu > >> supremacists. > >> >and learn to work together with the native Muslim population without > >> >calling them B'deshi and Pakistanis. > >> >f. Show that law-enforcement is NOT SELECTIVE. You cannot get serious > >> about > >> >illegal deportation while your ministers and executives steal the > >> >population blind. > >> > > >> >Maybe others. > >> > > >> >A border fence won't work. The fences that were installed sprang holes in > > > >them within days after the workers moved out. I think Dr. T or someone > >> >suggested importing Chandrababu Naidu's Telegu engineers to design a very > >> >tall concrete wall. That might work, together with a moat of appropriate > >> >depth, with Sundarban crocodiles. > >> > > >> >ID cards will definitely create a boom in the ID card industry. Also, > >> >imagine Ram Jethmalani coming to a pilgrimage at Kamakhya, minus ID card, > >> >going to prison. Does anyone think it would hold up in even a Kangaroo > >> >court? If you introduce ID card ONLY in Assam , how on earth are you > >> going > >> >to enforce it? Will it also not be yet another IMDT like boondoggle ? > >> > > >> >B'Deshis continue to come because they GET work. Let them come and be tax > >> >paying workers. But take away the property ownership possibility. Take it > >> >away from non-Assamese Indians as well. > >> > > >> >None of these can happen WITHIN the bounds of the existing constitutional > >> >set-up. So to do anything, other than putting up a glorified 'jewra'would > >> >need Indian govt's. support and backing. > >> > > >> >If that is so easy WHY has it NOT been done yet. Isn't 20 years > >>long enough? > >> > > >> >Fact is India does not have the political will to do what needs doing. > >> The > >> >constitutional impediments are therefore convenient excuses. > >> > > >> >Remember how long they promised removal of IMDT ? Why can't they? > >> > > >> > > >> >cm > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>After two decades of fighthing to remove illegal foreigners in > >>assam, maybe > >> >>it is time to take a look at what we have achieved and then change our > >> >>expectations. > >> >> > >> >>We haven't been able to remove a single illegal immigrant. There > >>is no system > >> >>which > >> >>is currently detecting and detaining illegal immigrants. > >> >> > >> >>We have numerous killings, kidnappings and terrorism in Assam. > >>Add on to that > >> >>the > >> >>constant presence and threat of armed security forces. > >> >> > >> >>Corruption goes on unabated and the politicians remain > >>politicians, no matter > >> >>their background. > >> >> > >> >>Development in Assam is at a standstill. The center feeds us sops and > >> >>donations > >> >>to keep > >> >>us happy. > >> >> > >> >>Under the circumstances, I am surprised and bemused when I keep > >>hearing about > >> >>removing > >> >>illegal immigrants from assam. Give me a break. It is not going > >>to happen, so > >> >>let us be > >> >>realistic. It is also inhuman to put a suspected illegal immigrant > >> through > >> >>Indias court system. > >> >> > >> >>Why can we not talk about more realistic solutions. For example, > >>what are the > >> > >problems with > >> >>sealing the border or making it less penetrable.? What about funding for > >> >>the BSF > >> >>to monitor and > >> >>patrol the borders more thoroughly. What about no-mans land (maybe > >> >>mined). Are > >> >>there > >> >>major obstaces to seal the borders? > >> >> > >> >>Kaustabh > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Assam mailing list > >> Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > >> http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > >> > >> Mailing list FAQ: > >> http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > >> To unsubscribe or change options: > >> http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > >> > _______________________________________________ Assam mailing list Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Mailing list FAQ: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html To unsubscribe or change options: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam
