C'da, > Now that credible examples are presented, particularly about Tripura, > I acknowledge that it exists.
That is really good. And you made my day :) Please feel free to pose the other questions you have. I am game. --Ram On 6/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ram: > > I was unaware of institutionalized coercion or discrimination of > religious minorities in the NE States. > > Now that credible examples are presented, particularly about Tripura, > I acknowledge that it exists. > > But I was flabbergasted by Rajib's righteous and straight faced > citation of LKA's outrage at the Kohima temple demolition, coloring > my response. > > Similarly of Parashuram temple destruction by NSCN. > > Did I acknowledge it clearly enough? > > If I did, the ball is on your court now :-). > > c-da > > > > > > > > > At 12:48 PM -0500 6/30/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > >C'da, > > > >> **** What happened to the laws of the land that ought to prevent > >>such things? > >> > >> Could not LKA, as the leader of the opposition or the shadow PM, go > >> to Kohima to prevent it? Was his stature of no consequence? Where did > >> them Christians get such UN-Indian, un-secular ideas? I am outraged! > >> > > > >This is a typical response from you. You first questioned the fact > >that incidents against Hindus in these regions ever took place, and > >then when Rajib gave some stark examples, you shifted gears and now > >are asking about the 'laws of the land' > > > >First, let us deal with the question, whether there have been cases > >have been perptrated on Hindus in these regions. > > > >Once you acknowledge that, then we can start discussing other issues like: > >Where these Christians go such ideas and whatever happened to the laws > >of the land. > > > >--Ram > > > >On 6/30/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >In Kohima, the sole Hindu temple was brought down with > >> >total connivance of the local government, police and > >> >offcourse the mobs. LK Advani was enraged. I think > >> >this was last year. > >> > >> > >> **** What happened to the laws of the land that ought to prevent > >>such things? > >> > >> Could not LKA, as the leader of the opposition or the shadow PM, go > >> to Kohima to prevent it? Was his stature of no consequence? Where did > >> them Christians get such UN-Indian, un-secular ideas? I am outraged! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >And there are offcourse systemic injustices > >> >perpetrated against the Riyangs in Mizoram because > >> >they are Hindus. > >> > >> > >> *** How very un-Hindu, un_Indian acts. There oughtta be a law! > >> > >> > >> >It would be laughable idea if someone says there is no > >> >Christian hegemony in some of the states. > >> > >> > >> *** Amazing! Imagine religious hegemony and bigotries in India, the > >> secular democracy the world is attempting to emulate! > >> > >> > >> I bet the way to fix it will be to impose Hinduism as the State > >> Religion of India. That ought to teach them n minorities a lesson. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 9:46 AM -0700 6/30/05, Rajib Das wrote: > >> >Let me specifically answer the question C'da has > >> >raised: > >> > > >> >In Kohima, the sole Hindu temple was brought down with > >> >total connivance of the local government, police and > >> >offcourse the mobs. LK Advani was enraged. I think > >> >this was last year. > >> > > >> >Pashupatinath Mandir in Senapati district of Manipur > >> >was burnt down in 1995 by the NSCN. > >> > > >> >And there are offcourse systemic injustices > >> >perpetrated against the Riyangs in Mizoram because > >> >they are Hindus. > >> > > >> >Maybe when I have some more time, I will come out with > >> >a longer list. You could google and find out the > >> >truths about some of these. > >> > > >> >It would be laughable idea if someone says there is no > >> >Christian hegemony in some of the states. It would be > >> >even more laughable if some one says the Church does > >> >not bless such "atrocities". > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> >I would suggest that she also make a trip to the > >> >> North East - > >> >> >Meghalaya, >Tripura or Mizoram and see how Hindus > >> >> are treated there > >> >> >by the tribal > Christians. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> **** How are Hindus treated there? I never heard of > >> >> harassment of > >> >> Hindus in the NE Christian areas before. Can you > >> >> refer us to some > > > >> credible source? > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> At 4:44 PM +0100 6/30/05, umesh sharma wrote: > >> >> >C-da, > >> >> > > >> >> >I find it absurd that she was sent a FAX to > >> >> threaten her. Perhaps > >> >> >VHP has gone nuts. The rape threat was made by > >> >> Hindus - no doubt - > >> >> >but by anonymous phone call. Anyone of the Hindus > >> >> in Orissa could > >> >> >have made the call - maybe even the Christian > >> >> missionaries or their > >> >> >evangelist supporters. > >> >> > > >> >> >That said, I do not approve of threats or acts of > >> >> physical violence > >> >> >. I do belive in countering evangelists' aggresive > >> >> christianization > >> >> >by free competition to win co-religionists. Even > >> >> today I was singled > >> >> >out to be given some pamphalet on Jesus in the bus > >> >> - no white person > >> >> >was offered. > >> >> > > >> >> >I would suggest that she also make a trip to the > >> >> North East - > >> >> >Meghalaya, Tripura or Mizoram and see how Hindus > >> >> are treated there > >> >> >by the tribal Christians. > >> >> > > >> >> >Umesh > >> >> > > >> >> >Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >'Sangh Parivar activists threatened to rape us' > >> >> >VIJI SUNDARAM > >> >> > > >> >> >INDIAWEST[ THURSDAY, JUNE 30, 2005 10:36:22 AM ] > >> >> >Surf 'N' Earn -Sign innow > >> >> >San Francisco-based academic Angana Chatterji, > >> >> along with other women > >> >> >members of the Indian People's Tribunal on > >> >> Environment and Human > >> >> >Rights, was allegedly threatened with rape by some > >> >> members of the > >> >> >Sangh Parivar on June 14 while investigating the > >> >> spread of > >> >> >communalism and human rights violations in Orissa. > >> >> > > >> >> >The women claim they were defamed, insulted and > >> >> falsely accused of > >> >> >bias as they were deposing residents of > >> >> Bhubaneswar, some from the > >> >> >Sangh Parivar itself. > >> >> > > >> >> >"The Hindu nationalist organizations (Bajrang Dal, > >> >> Vishwa Hindu > >> >> >Parishad and Rashtriya Sevika Samiti) have maligned > >> > > and targeted the > >> >> >Tribunal and its members," wrote Chatterji in a > >> >> letter to India's > >> >> >National Human Righ! ts Commission, calling for an > >> >> investigation. ". . > >> >> >. Especially, they have continued to directly > >> >> intimidate and verbally > >> >> >attack me since the incident, as I remain in Orissa > >> >> for a few days to > >> >> >continue the Tribunal's work." > >> >> > > >> >> >The Indian People's Tribunal on Environment and > >> >> Human Rights was > >> >> >formed June 5, 1993. Its stated purpose is to > >> >> conduct fair and > >> >> >credible investigations focusing on issues > >> >> concerning human rights > >> >> >and environmental justice. > >> >> > > >> >> >Chatterji said she has been working for the rights > >> >> of the oppressed > >> >> >in Orissa since 1995. > >> >> > > >> >> >The alleged threats came by fax from the state > >> >> office of the Vishwa > >> >> >Hindu Parishad, lambasting the tribunal as a group > >> >> of "leftists, > >> >> >fellow travelers and Hindu baiters." > >> >> > > >> >> >The fax made a pointed reference to Chatterji, an > >> >> associate > >> >> >professor of anthropology at the San > >> >> Francisco-based California... > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >>http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1156238,curpg-4.cms > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >Assam mailing list > >> >> >[email protected] > >> >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam > >> >> > > >> >> >Mailing list FAQ: > >> >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/assam/assam-faq.html > >> >> >To unsubscribe or change options: > >> >> >http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/options/assam > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >><http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > >> >> >>Yahoo! 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