then why should influences
from outside the state bother you or anyone. This is of course
assuming that ONE believes that Assam is still an integral part of
India.
Do you think, that if there were only regional parties, that would not
employ the same tactics to divide people in some way or the other
(just as the national parties do) to win elections?
Yes, one would think regional parties would benefit the state,
specially when they are in power. Well, the AGP showed us how much the
state benefitted when they were in power.
I don't think local self-govt by itself solves problems. The make-up
of the parties, the people within, will make the difference - whether
they are AGP or the Congress.
Lets take the national parties. Whether its the Congress or UPA or
whatever, are the people up for elections in Assam representing these
parties NOT ASSAMESE?
Woudln't you think that they would have the best interests of Assam
(before party)?
This influence stuff that you are dishing out, Cda, boils down to
this: If the Assamese people let others influence they will be, if not
they won't.
And not such outside influences are all bad as you make it out to be.
But can you show how ULFA is either encouraging illegal migration,
or causing >polarizations in Assam?
Many press statements from the ULFA tells us that they are soft on
illegal immigration. And its not difficult to understand that
position. If Bangladesh was my mai-baap, I too would support illegals
coming into Assam or elsewhere.
I visualize at least two.
If one were to assume that ULFA has supporters in Assam, obviously
they are poles apart from those Assamese who would wish to remain
within India, and consider themselves Indian.
ULFA may think that they were chosen by providence to represent all
Assamese, but the fact is there are Assamese who think and believe
they are Indian, in adition to being Assamese.
The other of course, is with illegal immigartion (which ULFA has not
vehemently opposed or taken a strong stand), a number of minority
groups are also starting to support illegal immigration. This of
course is polarizes an already polarized state.
--Ram
On 8/3/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Of course, we are all well-wishers of Assam. But what has that go to
>do with ULFA's 'interest' in an election conducted by Indian
>authorities.
*** Unlike me or you, ULFA is made up of people, who, rightly or
wrongly, claim to represent the wishes of the people of Assam. Their
constituency, their supporters, also believe that Indian political
machinations have hurt Assam's interests.
You may not accept that. But that is different.
> >Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't
>invite from Delhi?
Same explanation here.
> >Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from
>Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam.
Come on Ram, you keep missing the obvious: ULFA does not recognize
Indian controls over Assam. That is why they are telling Indians to
keep out. It is not about whether it might be good or bad for Assam.
But let me ask you this: Is it good for Assam, for its elections to
> be INFLUENCED by remote interests from elsewhere in India?
> >Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will
>that benefit ULFA?
I cannot speak for ULFA. But I am of the belief that Assam's
interests are best served by political parties who are rooted in
Assam, and whose elections are not interfered with by outside
interests. That is what local self-government is all about.
> >All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do
>is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to
>dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might
>actually bring the spotlight on them.
You may be right, or you may be wrong. Neither has anything to do
with the premise of the original argument and conclusions, that
started this debate.
>
>As for polarization problems, sitting cozily in Bangladesh, passing
>dikats, and encouraging illegal immigration does more to polarize than
>anything else.
You can spin it anyway you wish. But can you show how ULFA is either
encouraging illegal migration, or causing polarizations in Assam?
At 11:03 AM -0500 8/3/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>C'da
>
>> If you were to be an independent
>>observer and well-wisher of Assam, would that seem unreasonable or
>>bad for Assam ?
>
>Of course, we are all well-wishers of Assam. But what has that go to
>do with ULFA's 'interest' in an election conducted by Indian
>authorities. They are the ones passing out dikats left and right, and
>basically infringing upon the free will of the Assamese people (not
>you and I).
>
>Who is the ULFA to tell the Assamese whom they should or shouldn't
>invite from Delhi? Don't the Assamese in Assam know what is or what is
>not polarizing, instead of having the ULFA intelligensia forcing them
>to think otherwise and dictating behavior?
>
>Why do you assume that just because some minister comes down from
>Delhi to lecture, it is necessarily bad or polarizing for Assam. When
>Assam had no regional parties, was Assam more (or less) polarized than
>it is now?
>
>Assuming ONLY regional parties participate in the elections, how will
>that benefit ULFA?
>
>All of this just pure humbug. What the ULFA is probably trying to do
>is to draw some attention to themselves. They have been left out to
>dry for a while, so passing a Dikat here and a Dikat there might
>actually bring the spotlight on them.
>
>As for polarization problems, sitting cozily in Bangladesh, passing
>dikats, and encouraging illegal immigration does more to polarize than
>anything else.
>
>--Ram
>
>
>
>On 8/3/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >Huh! So, it now seems that inspite of ULFA NOT recognizing Indian
>> >rule, they are still interested in an election conducted and
>> >participated by the Indians.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **** I can't answer that. I was merely examining the logic of the
>> original post, and the conclusions drawn.
>>
>>
>> But one thing can be surmised: That the ULFA is attempting to prevent
>> interference of Indian political parties and injection of regressive
> > Indian attitudes and polarizing influences into Assam society.
>>
>>
>>
>> > >So, the more important question would be, how does it
matter who wins
>> >the elections in Assam to ULFA?
>>
>>
>>
>> **** ULFA could very well be interested in that. Even I could be :-).
>> I certainly would not want to see communal polarizations grow in
>> Assam, fanned on by Indian Hindu supremacist bigots.Would you ? It
>> could also bee to discourage political corruption spurred on by
>> Indian black-money and vote-banking
>> and other nefarious activities. If you were to be an independent
>> observer and well-wisher of Assam, would that seem unreasonable or
>> bad for Assam ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 9:00 AM -0500 8/3/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>> > >Considering that ULFA does not recognize India's rule over Assam, it
> >> >>makes all the sense in the world to them to not allow an occupying
>> >>power to interfere in the elections of its state.
>> >
>> >Huh! So, it now seems that inspite of ULFA NOT recognizing Indian
>> >rule, they are still interested in an election conducted and
>> >participated by the Indians.
>> >
>> >So, the more important question would be, how does it matter who wins
>> >the elections in Assam to ULFA? Is the ULFA fielding some candidates
>> >too, and that too an election managed and mandated by the Chief
>> >Election Commissioner of India.
>> >In the end, the ULFA seems to want to behave like another 'political
>> >party' in India (albeit an extreme one).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On 8/3/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Considering that ULFA does not recognize India's rule over Assam, it
> >> >> makes all the sense in the world to them to not allow an occupying
>> >> power to interfere in the elections of its state. Would India allow
>> >> Pakistanis or BDeshis or Americans to come canvass for elections in
>> >> it's territory?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The question,at best, demonstrates an absence of ordinary
inferential
>> >> skills, no doubt resulting in absurd questions like:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > >Or else, guess what will happen? I wonder what kind of
>> >> >a democracy will be there in independent Assam.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- one having little or no connection with the other.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 10:14 PM -0700 8/1/05, Rajib Das wrote:
>> >>
>>>http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story3%2Etxt&counter_img=3?headline=ULFA~diktat:~No~entry~for~'outside'~vote-seekers
>> >> >
>> >> >Another tactic this time. Not allowing central leaders
>> >> >of national parties to campaign in Assam.
>> >> >
>> >> >Or else, guess what will happen? I wonder what kind of
>> >> >a democracy will be there in independent Assam.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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