Now, now, Let us not all gang-up on old Umesh. He has his faults, but then he has had his contributions too. If I remember correct, he helped out a great deal in making copies of Assamese manuscripts from Harvard. Over the years he has contributed on several topics of interest.
I remember, when he first joined in, we had a similar reaction when he went all agog in Muslim bashing. He has been tenacious, and we ought to give him that. My advice for Umesh would be that he makes some conscious effort to veer away from certain areas that we generally find uncomfortable or even disgusting. Just my thoughts. On 8/11/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow Rizi, you really dived into Assam net with an astute set of observations > :-). > > Yes indeed, Umesh needs a blog site of his own, and assamnet is definitely > not > the right place. > > > Netters, allow me to introduce my nephew Hemav. > > > cm > > > > > > > > > At 9:33 AM +0530 8/11/05, Hemav Mahanta wrote: > Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59E29.A65FF4E5" > > Umesh: > > I feel rather uneasy at the glib manner in which you, especially being > within the hallowed portals of the 'erudite', throw views that are hollow, > when you should know better, with the greater benefits and resources of a > Harvard education at your disposal, that there are not too many human beings > on this planet, with the possible exception of a handful of hermits trapped > inside a Himalayan cave, who do not have any strongly-held convictions. > Everyone has these convictions of varying and variable intensity and > strength, to certain basic beliefs, values, or commitments... most human > beings are thus 'fundamentalists' in a way. But 'fundamentalism' is not a > question of forcing your own views upon people. Indeed, if this were to > accepted as a definition of 'fundamentalism', the greatest 'fundamentalists' > in history will turn out to be teachers who earn their social status and > salaries by telling little impressionable creatures entrusted to their care > what the 'right' thing to do is, and punishing them without compunction when > they beg to disagree... > > You also have an obsessive habit of talking about yourself, primarily > because, in most cases, you are well-aware of your own conscious assumptions > or points of departure, and wish to lay them on the table without keeping > them too close to your chest. (That is probably what you are doing in this > very post, right?) At times I think probably the reason why you are always > filled with questions for us is because you are 'testing' us or 'checking' > how much we know. If that is indeed what you believe, you would be rather > mistaken, for the reason why you ask questions is because you want to know > what we believe, and what we believe is as much an important factor for you > as what you yourself believe in developing, forming, or distilling your > views on any issue... > > I suppose you have spent so much time trying to 'get under the skin' of > other people trying (and, most probably, failing disastrously) to see the > world through their eyes that you have only recently begun to realise that > you has no distinctive views to call your own; at the most, what you have is > a collage, a patchwork, or a mosaic built from the various fragments left > over from the collapse of the monuments of the past. Perhaps that is why > your mind is a seething ocean of anarchy : you are never quite satisfied > with quoting that 'A is X'; no sooner have you finished mailing that, that > you begin to experience a burst of your obsessive compulsive disorder which > tells you that you must now run and ferret out another source which will > tell everyone that 'B is Y'. I now think that the long-awaited truth is > finally out; that, at the end of the day, you are just one more demagogue or > sophist, that you are a 'mere' collection of discarded piles of dusty > books; that you can differentiate X with respect to Y but cannot integrate > your 'life' with respect to your 'opinions'. > > There would be much truth in this accusation in my opinion and I would > readily hold you guilty for it. Having done that, you shall also seek, in > your usual opinionated fashion, to respond to it in the following manner. > "If you are looking for a Yes-Man forum, or for a forum that has a > ready-made blueprint for every problem that is going to crop up around the > corner, or for a group that shall unearth all the secrets of human existence > and lay them bare for you on your dinner table, you would be well-advised to > stay at more than an arm's length from this list." But if you believe that > in some cases the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, > and that in others, the shortest distance is actually a curve, but you are > not quite sure which case is which, you shall find yourself a person who has > been struggling with this very problem almost all your life. > > A better forum for your ramblings is the blog site > www.bihu.in/jaipurschool/profile/ because this mailing > list, incidentally, is not a BLOG!!! > > Regards, > Hemav > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan > Mahanta > Sent: Wed 8/10/2005 6:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tridip; assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu > Subject: Re: [Assam] Bollywood Tantrums : Kapoor's "broken" marriage > Hi Umesh: > > > The Assam Netters have been very accommodating to you, considering you are a > gate-crasher with an agenda. Remember how I got on your case about your > anti-Muslim posts to Assam Net and those who echo your sentiments, although > very un-Assamese like, came to your defense, on grounds of free speech? Free > speech, incidentally is a privilege, not a right, in a private e-mail list > such as Assam Net. > > It is obvious you don't pick things up too well. Your preoccupation with > sexual habits of 'white' Americans or NRI children, Bollywood personalities, > wealth and social mores of NRI children and your half-baked assessments and > broad-brush judgements of people on skimpy evidence, speaks more of your > maturity than subjects of your judgment; Harvard Grad School of Ed not > withstanding. > > I have no problems understanding your affected interests in Assam and the > Assamese. But it will do you well to listen and adjust your modus operandi > in Assam Net. Your attitudes and mind-set are fairly alien to the Assamese > one, if you have not yet noticed. > > Take care. > > cm > > > PS: Hi Saswati: Good to hear from you. Hope things are going well for you.. > Assam net is a self subscribing/un-subscribing list these days. I hope you > won't leave, but participate. Say Hi to Babul. Best.--c'da > > > > > > At 11:49 PM +0100 8/10/05, umesh sharma wrote: > Dear Tridip, > > You have already started the good work!!! -- by contributing to its > discussions. It would be interesting to hear from your experience in > Lucknow. > > Umesh > > tridip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi saswati, > well, guess u got signed in by default ( being a member of ratne..though i > am not sure if that happened or if that's possible at all..just a guess > )..as for unsubscribing from the group..i think u should give it a second > thought...now that u are already a member of the group...i believe u can put > that to good effect....everyone can play a role here....one can start some > healthy discussion... issues pertaining to assam and see what the assamese > diaspora think about it ....just an opinion though! having said that lemme > clarify that i am neither the moderator nor the owner of the group...and to > be honest i am not sure whether i actually did signed up for this group or > not.....since i was receiving all these mails..i thought i might have signed > > regards, > tridip. > lucknow > > umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it amusing that u are on it without subscribing to it. Maybe some > well wisher gifted you a membership. > > Umesh > > Saswati Bora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tridip, I echo your sentiments. > > However, unlike you, I dont remember signing into this group at all. So > whoever is the moderator, please unsubscribe me. > > Thank you. > > > tridip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi umesh, > i am simply not interested in knowing why ur landlord dont want to marry > even though he has many girl friends...or how many houses he is the proud > owner of....or whether he's frank enough not to sign pre-nups oe > not......and if karishma kapoor has demanded alimony or not... > > i didnt sign up in this group to get news about what the celebrities are > doin' and with whom they are moving around with....nor am i interested in > knowing whether husbands in US hold their wives hands during delivery or > not.... > ..sorry for being harsh with the words but u are spaming my mailbox. please > think about us mere mortals who have other things to do instead of reading > and gossiping about ppl who dont affect us at all...( by the way, is their > any remedy for spaming in the US besides unsubscribing from the group???) > > regards, > > tridip > lucknow > > umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Money may be a reason for her tantrums - she is demanding 1.2 million > dollars (Rs 7 crores as alimony it seems > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1196431,curpg-1.cms > ) > > My lanlord and proud owner of 4 houses is extremely concerned about this > alimony business in US. From himonly I learnt tha in US many couple do not > marry beocs in the event of a divorce they have to split their assets in > half. Though my landlord has many girlfriends and even had live in relations > with some he did not want to lose 2 of his houses by marrying . And he is > not frank enough to sign a pre-nupital contract -as many hi-fi people do. > > > Umesh > > umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Although it would be callous on my part to speak out against a women who > recently became a mother and just then having trouble with her marriage -- > but seeing the plight of Karishma Kapoor - the erstwhile Bollywood super > heroine - I am wondering whether she too is blindly aping the West. (as > mentioned below) > > It is true that a pregnant woman needs to have her husband by her side and > her husband was roaming around with some other females to visit night clubs > during that period. In US I'm told the wannabe father has to hold to hand of > the soon-to-be mother during labor - to soothe her. > > However, given the fact that filmy life demands that heroines and heros > spend lot of time dancing and kissing with their fellow actors. So if their > spouse does the same thing - I do not see that as wrong. I do not hear that > her husband was kissing other females --only that he was dancing with other > girls in night clubs. > > God knows why this is a big issue. > Do you? > > Umesh > > http://in.rediff.com/movies/2005/aug/09karisma.htm > It's sad when a broken marriage is turned into a soap opera," a close friend > of the Kapoors says, referring to the crisis in Karisma's marital life. > An e-mail Karisma apparently sent her husband Sanjay Kapur has had a > pandemonium effect in her life. > The long e-mail was reportedly the former actress agonising about how her > husband betrayed her. But she cannot understand the media's curiosity about > her marital break-up. > Who leaked the e-mail to the press? "It doesn't require Herculean sleuthing > abilities to figure that out," remarks the family friend. "The timing of the > e-mail and the ensuing restraining order preventing Karisma from taking the > baby out of the country, cannot be two unrelated incidents. This is more > than a coincidence." > Karisma's husband files case against her > Sister Kareena speaks on her family's behalf, "We've been battered and > cornered. What we need is prayers and compassion -- certainly not prying > eyes trying to dissect every move we make." > Karisma is too distraught to talk. 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