Ram:

 >At least it gives some closure to people who
lost their loved ones.


**** Nothing could be further from the truth. I agree with Khuswant Singh, that the Nanavati Report is an insult, that it is too little, too late. I will forward his article and others' when I get a chance.



 >Why would Sikh bodyguards assasinate the PM? I am not sure about
Godhra, but whats bandied about is that muslim groups cast the first
stone by killing the 'Hindu' political workers, and things started
spreading to other areas.


**** I am very disappointed here Ram, that even YOU do not differentiate between an individuals' or a group of individuals' crime and the whole group or clan or religion these individuals belong to or identify with, from being held guilty and mob justice meted out on ALL of them.

I did not read the author's intent to blame the Hindus. Why should ALL Hindus take responsibility for the abominations inspired by Togadia or Thakre' or Modi or HKL Bhagat or Tytler? Cannot they reason?

Of course, when one resigns to the fact that that one's humanity is an unfathomable and alien concept or rule of law is just a convenient flag to wave, and the absence of justice is a fact of life that should not be questioned or challenged, even in this day and age; not much could be expected.

It speaks very poorly of a nation and its culture, its civilization or absence of it.

c-da






At 1:16 PM -0500 8/11/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,

This article and others for the last few days do reflect on the
violence that crop up time to time in India.

I am glad that the likes of Jadish Tytler was forced to resign. Its
also sad that the attrocities on innocent Sikhs took 20 years to even
be recognized. Its heartening, that the PM at least 'hung his head in
shame' and apologized for the attrocities, even though he was far
removed from the scene. At least it gives some closure to people who
lost their loved ones.

Unscrupulous polititcians are at the core of the violence. Immediately
after the Indira Gandhi assination, it were people like Tytler who
instigated the masses to attack Sikhs. Similarly, is the case when
Muslims are attacked.

The article below does seem to lay the blame entirely on the majority (Hindus).
Not that one can condone any of the attrocities, is there any
culpability of minority groups in these incidents?

Why would Sikh bodyguards assasinate the PM? I am not sure about
Godhra, but whats bandied about is that muslim groups cast the first
stone by killing the 'Hindu' political workers, and things started
spreading to other areas.

First hand in the 60s, I have seen Calcutta go up in flames when
Hindu/Muslim mobs killed each other. Do we blame the masses or the
polititcians who started these?

IMHO, the country is much like a tinder box at times. With huge
uneducated masses are drenched with passions of one kind or another.
All it takes is a cruel polititcian to light it up.

We have seen these types of incidents in Assam too, during the
Assamese/Bengali conflicts or Nelli.  I was very young at that time,
and know now how and why the conflict started, but do vividly remember
a GU Prof (Gupta, a quiet Bengali gentleman) was stabbed just a couple
of homes away from us - we could hear the wife and son crying for
help, but no one had the courage to go out and help (even the next
door neighbor).

Were those culprits ever brought to justice? Absolutely not, and given
the political climate it would have been imprudent for anyone to get
arrested - the incident was just brushed under the carpet.

I have also heard of similar incidents in Silchar, where Assamese were
singled out to be murdered.

So, in the end, whether we like it or not, it seems that crimes
committed during riots are 'not crimes'. A few days ago, I think you
asked a question: If India was a violent country?

The answer is a resounding yes. The only thing, one can say is that
given the diversity of language, religion, caste, creed, states all
living in one place as a country, its a miracle these conflicts are
not as frequent as they used to be.

Maybe, people are at last learning to live in harmony and tolerance.

--Ram



On 8/11/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 CARNAGE 84

 We, the bloody people

 By  Sankarshan Thakur
 IN AN UNREQUITED LAND:
  A child from one of
  Trilokpuri's ravaged families
  Photographed by Gauri Gill

 We are the apparatchik of serial and periodic
 political madness, we are the midwives of the
 abortion of the senses
 For a talkative society, we tell very little of
 the essence of ourselves. We babble in the
 subconscious hope it will drown our truths. We've
 erected opaque mental monuments to Buddha and
 Gandhi to blind our eager resort to bloodletting.
 When the glare catches us red-handed, we wipe our
 sins on others and melt into our vast convenience
 > of numbers. Narendra Modi. Pravin Togadia. Lal
 > Krishna Advani. Jagdish Tytler. Sajjan Kumar. HKL
 > Bhagat. Bal Thackeray. Hiteswar Saikia. Bhagwat
 Jha Azad. Remember him? Bhagwat Jha Azad of
 Bihar? Remember Bhagalpur of 1989? Remember a
 village called Chanderi and another called Logain?

  ....It was eventually left to the vultures to
 rip the cover. The bodies, 116 of them, had lain
 there decomposing for six weeks. In that period
 the village had grown wiser to the fineries of
 tilling - dead men made good compost. A lush
 winter crop of mustard had sprung on the bed of
 corpses they had laid. But the village was also
 to grow wiser to a thing or two about old idioms:
 Dead men do tell tales, it is seldom they don't.

  The stench had risen high off the field and the
 vultures had begun to swoop low. The killing had
 been consummated weeks ago, an entire settlement
 of Muslims on the edge of Logain. Their common
 guilt the villagers had consigned to a common
 grave. The carnage was an open secret in the
 village but to the world beyond it was just a
 secret. Until the vultures arrived, followed by
 that rare thing called a policeman with a
 conscience. He had the crop shaved and the field
 dug up. The skulls flew into the sky as the
 spades got to workS.

  Some among us were there and told the story.
 Logain became, like many of our stories, the
 child of memory's whore - an unwanted, forgotten
 consequence of collective shame. We are a nation
 eddying with bastard deeds. Nellie. Moradabad.
 Bhiwandi. Hashimpura. Maliana. Meerut. Kanpur.
 Bhagalpur. Sopore. Baroda. Aligarh. Mumbai.
 Chittisingpora. Ahmedabad. Delhi. We lay
 blood-litter on the streets and retreat into our
 homes. Nobody owns up. We decamp from facts and
 populate our horrors with clichéd characters of
 fiction - a violent mob, a murderous horde, a
 crowd screaming, slashing, burning, a mass that
 suddenly descended and vanished.

  Who? Wherefrom? Us. Herefrom. Every single time.
 It is we who pillage, rape and murder. Under
 wrongful excitement and exhortation. Under
 criminal instruction and protection. Under the
 Modis and Togadias and Tytlers, yes. They are the
 leaders but we are there to be led. We are the
 apparatchik of serial and periodic political
 madness, we are the midwives of the abortion of
 the senses. Then we wash our hands and line up
 for secular prabhat pheris, our opaque monuments
 to Buddha and Gandhi urgently recalled to veil
 memory and guilt.

  The Babel Tower of inquiries and commissions,
 reports and recommendations that we have piled
 for ourselves is a route of escape. The tabling
 of Nanavati conclusions has become the hour of
 more deflective clamour, a booster dose of
 obfuscation. A talkative society talking
 endlessly. Or an argumentative society, as we are
 told on formidable authority, arguing on. About
 who and how. About cause and consequence. About
 crime and the absence of punishment. Never once
 do we dare look ourselves in the mirror. Never do
 we stop pointing fingers at others. Outraged,
 shrieking justice, baying retribution, if legal.
 Hush. Where were you at the time? And what were
 > you doing? You were electing Narendra Modi
 astride a bloodied rath. You were voting Sajjan
 Kumar and Jagdish Tytler back to respectable
 titles and hallowed portals. You were turning up
 in thousands to pirouette to the twisted bigotry
 of Pravin Togadia. You were letting Thackeray
 hone your hatreds.

  We need to ask few questions of each other. We
 need to ask questions of the households that were
 spared the mayhem of Trilokpuri. Ask the
 shopkeepers of Mandvi Ni Pole. Ask around in the
 bylanes of Hashimpura. Ask those who live across
 the charred remains of Gulberg. Ask the villagers
 of Logain, it's been 16 winters since that
 resplendent mustard crop that contained a gene of
 murdered blood. We cannot pretend being a civil
 society when we claim, every now and again,
 rights over uncivil liberties. We cannot invoke
 laws that we ourselves violate. We cannot look up
 > to a Constitution that we trample underfoot.

  There are a myriad contemporary Indian stories
 we have forgotten. They are all true stories.
 They have dates and datelines. They have pegs and
 dead people hanging by them. And there are, among
 us, the many hands that hung them there that have
 since been washed in collective and convenient
 forgetting. The truth about mass murder in this
 country we haven't learnt to tell. Even less to
 confront. Which is why someday, when that
 diabolical sloganeer appears again with a manic
 prescription and a surcharged bloodcry, we will
 again turn upon each other and consume.




 Aug 20 , 2005

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