You don't even deny that you are a liar or crazy. But you did email me again, but not to the list.
Do not email me again. On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 22:04 +0800, Andy Spring wrote: > I am not crook!!! > > I can provide the what I said > > > 在07-7-23,Matthew Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写道: > Maybe you are a trader. You are definitely a liar. And > so crazy that > you ignore every other damning fact I mentioned, that anyone > else has > mentioned. > > You are a crook. Do not email me again. > > > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 21:51 +0800, Andy Spring wrote: > > Yes, I am a trader, the manufacture about the voip phone is > our > > partern in cooperation. > > > > 在07-7-23,Matthew Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 写道: > > Just some more data points, and my > conclusion, on our > > long overdue > > review of Andy Spring: > > > > I translated the Chinese message > (quoted/appended > > below) that Spring > > replied to Sergey, using > > http://translate.google.com/translate_t?langpair=zh| > en : > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > "老兄你可能搞错了,我之前发给你的是视频电话的 > 资料,我是 > > 一个中间商,这没 > > 必要向你隐瞒,但那也不是华为的产品啊,而我现在在推我 > 们另一款带 > > 有WIFI功能 > > 的网络话机,我不知道你在LIST里面说那些话是什么意 > 思。" > > > ========================================================= > > "Bud you might mistake, I sent to you before > the video > > phone, I would > > be a broker, It is not necessary to hide you, but > this is not > > Huawei's > > products ah, I am now pushing us to another with a > Wi-Fi > > network > > walkie-talkie function, I do not know in your LIST > said those > > inside > > what is the meaning of words." > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > So Spring says he never claimed it was his > own tech, > > and that it is not > > Huawei tech, too. But, according to the discussion > to which > > Sergey > > linked, Spring did claim: > > > > "No, it is not Huawei's ViewPoint 8220, it is > our > > company's product." > > > > And then Spring changes the subject back to > the new > > WiFi/SIP phone. > > > > FWIW, I don't know why someone with the name > "Sergey", > > speaking in > > English on the list, with a domain > voipsolutions.ru , would > > appear to be > > Chinese. > > > > I replied to a message Spring sent me last > week, Cc'ed > > to this list, in > > which he refused to answer what is the phone's CPU, > or what is > > the > > dev/deployment env for 3rd party SW (after he agreed > that it > > would run > > 3rd party SW): > > > http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/2007-July/022777.html . > > Spring claimed it was because I'm not a customer. My > reply > > includes > > several other long-overdue criticisms explaining why > I'll > > never send a > > penny to Spring. Because he is a terrible > businessperson, and > > probably a > > crook. And asking if anyone had ever bought anything > from him, > > and had > > anything good to say. Even this "Jamal from Canada" > Spring > > claims bought > > some equipment from him in China hasn't materialized > on the > > list to say > > anything. He probably doesn't exist, except in lies > from > > Spring. > > > > I don't need to see any more. Spring is a > liar. He's a > > terrible > > businessperson. He seems to represent exactly the > kind of > > Chinese > > electronics dealer that is the grain of truth in the > > stereotype that > > they're crooks, with nothing but contempt for us, > their > > English speaking > > "market". I wish other, honest, Chinese > businesspeople would > > police > > these people. China isn't unique in its mixed > reputation for > > corrupt > > business, nor in the actually corrupt business that > the > > reputation is > > based on. But it is the largest, and probably the > most > > reputable for > > that corruption (maybe after Nigeria overall, but in > > electronics it's > > #1). China is setting itself up to be the world's > factory. But > > business > > has to be more than an ad for cheap goods before I > do business > > with it. > > > > > > On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 15:37 +0800, Andy Spring > wrote: > > > > > > Sergey, > > > > > > I think maybe you are a Chinese person, I have > some words to > > let you > > > know also everyone in the list. > > > 老兄你可能搞错了,我之前发给你的是视频电话的资料, > 我是一个中 > > 间商,这没 > > > 必要向你隐瞒,但那也不是华为的产品啊,而我现在在推 > 我们另一款 > > 带有WIFI功 > > > 能的网络话机,我不知道你在LIST里面说那些话是什么意 > 思。 > > > > > > If you are not not Chinese, ok, I will let you > know in > > english, I > > > think you have made a mistake, the product I sent > you before > > is > > > videophone not Voip phone with wifi and gsm, now I > am put > > sale our new > > > item which is wireless Voip phone not videophone > that I sent > > you > > > before, I do not know what is your meaning you > said in the > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/7/23, Sergey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hello, Andy. > > > > > > You wrote 21.07.2007, 17:39:23: > > > > > > > I can post the details here, I thought > before, if > > not > > > everyone > > > > isinterested in our Wifi & GSM phone, so > no need > > to post > > > here, > > > > because some people will think I am > posting spam > > and rubbish > > > here > > > > and will scold me. So I can only send > the details > > to whom > > > with interest. > > > > > > > > Sergey, are you sure, our Wifi and GSM > voip phone > > is Huawei > > > > Viewpoint 8220? have you tested our > sample?? NOT ! > > so please > > > do not > > > > say any unreason words. > > > > > > Please read carefully. Some time ago i > requested > > info from you > > > about > > > your SIP video phone, and you provided me > PDF which > > contains > > > info > > > about Huawei Viewpoint 8220, although you > claimed it > > is your > > > own > > > development. > > > > > > Dear list, here are some proof: > > > > > > Our small thread with Andy: > > > http://voipsolutions.ru/andy/andy.html > > > Andy's PDF: > http://voipsolutions.ru/andy/andy.pdf > > > > > > Huawei 8220: > > > > > > http://www.futurewei.com/itemsdetail.asp?dt=products&ID=122 > > > > > > Andy, can you show us your site? or at > least some > > photos of > > > your > > > products? no? why? > > > > > > > This item of our new product is > different > > > > Huawei Viewpoint 8220 also different > Nokia, it's > > line is > > > with > > > > interenet and with a very low rate. Yes, > maybe the > > machine > > > is a > > > > little higher but the rate is very > cheap, it can > > only work > > > with > > > > internet, and it is worth it. Again, > Sergey, if > > you have no > > > intend > > > > to buy any product here in this list, > please > > kindly do not > > > ask > > > > anyone to waste their timeto send > information to > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > JR-DW1 One Page Specification > > > ... > > > <snip> > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Sergey mailto: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by > > > http://www.api-digital.com-- > > > > > > asterisk-biz mailing list > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > andy > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _______________________________________________ > > > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by > > http://www.api-digital.com-- > > > > > > asterisk-biz mailing list > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz > > -- > > > > (C) Matthew Rubenstein > > > > > > > > > > -- > > andy > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > (C) Matthew Rubenstein > > > > > -- > andy > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (C) Matthew Rubenstein _______________________________________________ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-biz mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz