Actually, if you look at my posts from a month or two ago, you can see that they not only had to have known, they were publicly stating that they were expanding. Joop personally told me that they were going to offer Vonage type of service and that they were opening service in the UK. He actually was exceedingly verbose and never gave hint to the fact that they were in trouble (not that he would). This should be no surprise to anyone.
I just hope they burn for it... W -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] LiveVoip is Bankrupt On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 20:49 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote: > > With lawyers a dime a dozen these days, I can't imagine that LiveVOIP > > didn't make sure to put every protection they could in their terms of > > service or what have you. Most people don't even read them, or just > > don't care what it says. I know nothing about LiveVOIP, so I'm not > > trying to suggest that they were indeed shady -- just letting people > > know that chargeback rules aren't a fix-all. > > Since that was an LLC operation and unless management pierced the corp > vail, the LLC has far more liabilities then it does assets so the LLC > is bankrupt. There is a legal pecking order as to who receives payments > after the assets are disposed. As user's of the service, we're on the > bottom of that list and will probably take at least a year or two > to reach closure. > LLC/Corporations do not protect officers of the company if the officers, through official job duties, commit crimes. Taking money for services you know you cant provide. Its prima facia if you sell below cost and cant prove that you thought you have VC money or something else to offset that 'promotional' period and then file bankrupcy. This is to prevent someone from basically doing a ponzi scheme, where people late in the game are paying for the people today, eventually the bubble bursts and the late comers are left holding the bag. While this is specific to US law, livevoip in this case was a US based company so that applies. This may not apply to other companies doing basically the same thing in other jurisdictions. And I dont know that they were doing this, but I am certain they didnt decide to file bankrupcy and file the same day, there had to be a period when they started to file but kept accepting new customers knowing those customers werent going to get what they paid for. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users