BJ Weschke wrote: > Alex Balashov wrote: >> RE Kushner List Account wrote: >> >> >>> The question is, what are you actually paying for as a customer? To >>> discriminate against bits just because they actually use what they are >>> paying for is beyond me. >>> >>> At least a bandwidth cap is easier to understand. You get what you pay for. >>> >> Speaking as a former sysadmin of an ISP, I would say that the issue is >> the following: >> >> 1) There is a high correlation of network-disrupting levels of traffic >> and BitTorrent; >> >> 2) Unlike some "bursty" downloads (like your CentOS ISO from an FTP >> server), BitTorrent traffic has the tendency to be sustained at higher >> levels for longer periods since the architecture presumes that >> everyone's a client and everyone's a server and fragments are always >> moving around. This is what tends to upset oversubscription assumptions >> that are otherwise functional, and are the only way that the ISP can >> possibly afford to give you the bandwidth for the price of >> consumer-grade broadband. >> >> >> I would tend to agree with you that discriminating against types of >> services and/or traffic through rate-limiting buckets and deep packet >> inspection is worse than a blanket bandwidth cap. However, you need to >> keep in mind the other side of the coin; were it not for Torrent, there >> would not be a need for traffic policing (in the overwhelming >> preponderance of cases) either way, so it's considered unfair to punish >> everyone with a bandwidth cap on everything when in reality, it's not a >> problem if their applications *occasionally* burst to very high levels >> of throughput. This is different from using up a lot of bandwidth >> continuously. >> >> My ISP doesn't care if I chug down a CentOS ISO tonight at close to my >> DSL line rate. But if I downloaded them all day long, all day, every >> day, there would be a problem, but the way to solve that problem isn't >> by taking away others' freedom to download a CentOS ISO when they feel >> like it in principle. >> >> > Have you checked the FTP and/or HTTP mirrors lately for the DVD iso of > CentOS? The only place I've been able to find them is on the Torrents > themselves.
OK, so maybe that's a bad example. Shows how much I know - I'm a Debian guy. :) But it doesn't really undermine my point. -- Alex Balashov Evariste Systems Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/ Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670 Direct : (+1) (678) 954-0671 Mobile : (+1) (706) 338-8599 _______________________________________________ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users