So, are you unhappy with Astlinux or the Soekris?  or just in general?

I liken this to a Digi terminal server device, which is a "real"
product, btw.  In order to configure this device, I have to connect to
it with Hyperterm and tell it something about the network it's going
to operate in.  Or, I can trust it to find a DHCP server and lease an
address.  In this case, I have the exact same problem that you are
complaining of.  I have to find the IP address of the device.  We
usually ask one of our router jockeys to do a search based on the MAC
address of the device, or we access it with a terminal.

It's really a LOT more common than you may believe.

On 12/17/06, Phil McKerracher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for all your responses. Apologies for the delayed reply - this mailing 
> list is a real pain to use (wouldn't a phpBB forum be easier?), and for some 
> reason my first post hasn't showed up on
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/index.html
> (yet later ones have), which doesn't give me much confidence.
>
> As a couple of you pointed out, I can use PuTTy or the web interface to edit 
> or restore my config files to the flash drive once I can get into the box. 
> And once I can edit the config files, I can fix the IP address to anything I 
> like. This still leaves the problem of guessing the IP address the first 
> time, though.
>
> > From: Michael A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > ...I used the free IP SCAN utility to find out the IP
> > address...
>
> I'm not sure which utility you mean exactly, but although this would speed up 
> the guesswork it doesn't really solve the problem, it's still trial and error.
>
> > On 12/10/06, vb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If possible, log into the console as root...
>
> Chicken and egg. :-(
>
> > ... if no console access, check your dhcp
> > server's table of addresses and figure it out from
> > there.
>
> Still trial and error, ultimately. And accessing the DHCP server in my 
> existing router is a pain.
>
> > Tom Lynn wrote:
> > > syslog captures the dhcp lease and it's ip address nicely.
>
> Same comment as above.
>
> > From: Carla Schroder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > ...null modem cables are cheep, and they are
> > necessities for administering headless boxes like the
> > Soekris. Don't handicap yourself by not having one...
>
> [Some extremely useful links snipped, many thanks for these]
>
> True, and I've now acquired one, but I still think it's a bit much to expect 
> the average user to buy one, and setting up Hyperterm is a nightmare 
> (especially since the required bit rate isn't documented anywhere that I 
> could find!).
>
> I'm convinced that there is *no way* that a "real" product would ever be 
> shipped with a fundamental limitation like this. All the routers, VoIP 
> devices, modems etc. that I have ever used have had some way of either 
> discovering the DHCP-assigned IP address (a display or voice prompt), or a 
> way of configuring a fixed address (a configuration file, DIP switches, 
> thumbwheels), or they just come with a fixed address that will usually work, 
> like 192.168.0.100.
>
> Surely it should be fairly easy in this case to read the address from a 
> config file that could be edited before first use somehow?
>
> Phil McKerracher
> www.mckerracher.net
>
>
>
>
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