On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Steve the Fiddle <[email protected]
> wrote:
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> On 11 October 2017 at 15:25, Paul Licameli <[email protected]>
> wrote:
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>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Steve the Fiddle <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
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>>> On 8 October 2017 at 15:07, b n singh <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can refer differences in Indian and equitempered scale at below
>>>> link.
>>>> http://www.22shruti.com/research_topic_25.asp
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's interesting and useful.
>>>
>>> From the first sentence:
>>> "To our astonishment, it will be seen that NONE of the notes in these 2
>>> scales are identical"
>>>
>>> I think this highlights a problem with translation of the note names,
>>> and a good reason why we should probably not translate. If we translated
>>> for Indian language, the frequencies calculated by the "Change Pitch"
>>> effect will be wrong unless we also change the frequency calculations
>>> conditionally on the selected locale. The differences between different
>>> temperaments may not be great, but they are sufficient to sound out of tune
>>> if the wrong one is used.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>
>> Maybe it's not right for the Indian scales. But I raised the question,
>> thinking mostly of the variations for note names in Western languages,
>> where much of the musical theory is shared. For French locale it may be
>> better to translate C, D, E, ... as ut, re, mi, ...
>>
>
> Considering that (I think we agree) translating the note names may not be
> appropriate for some locales, and (as far as I'm aware) the "vote" count
> (as a "feature request"), has been zero up to this email discussion,
> perhaps it's not worth the effort. I'd much prefer that we invest time in
> features for which we know there is high demand, and fixing annoying bugs
> (such as: http://bugzilla.audacityteam.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1752)
>
> Steve
>
I found this interesting small thing incidentally to a bigger investigation
into our localizations generally, which leave much to be desired as I have
learned this release. I mean to do something about it next release.
There is much else we ought to do to combat Anglophone culture and grammar
biases and keep awareness of it as we add features. Such as, not building
up user-visible phrases by concatenation of words (better to substitute
into a format), and using more wxPLURAL so that languages (like most of the
Slavics) with more than two grammatical number forms format correctly.
Maybe that isn't much demanded, but then again, maybe that's in part
because the unprofessionalism of some of the translations is deterring some
foreign users.
And whether we localize or not, I did find out how to display note names as
C♯ and B♭ which is cuter than C# and Bb as done now.
PRL
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>> PRL
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>>>>
>>>> The slight difference is in ratio between notes in Indian and
>>>> equitempeeed scale.
>>>> The Western names of notes have equivalent Notes in Indian music (12
>>>> notes in North India Hindustani music) .Though South Indian Carnatik music
>>>> have some more variations (Total 16 notes)
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bashishtha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08-Oct-2017 18:05, "Edo (Reliable Productions)" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isn't the Indian system basically one of intervals, rather than of
>>>>> frequencies?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Steve the Fiddle <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 October 2017 at 10:08, b n singh <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my opinion, internationalization will help a vast number of music
>>>>>>> lovers. In India, musical note names (Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, Pa, Dha, Ni) is
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> in all different Indian languages and musical styles. Most people learn
>>>>>>> music in India with Indian note names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The note names in Audacity are based on A440 Equal Temperament.
>>>>>> That's not the case for Indian svara is it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> bashishtha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 October 2017 at 20:42, Paul Licameli <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are places where Audacity names notes of the musical scale as
>>>>>>>> C, D, E, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But conventions differ. I wonder if we should internationalize
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.library.yale.edu/cataloging/music/keylang.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Licameli
>>>>>>>>
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