Re: I'm leaving for now
Agreed on the asking-for-help bit.
Yes, at the end of the day it is really ideal if you can find some way to own your behaviour, even if you're having trouble fixing it. But there's a good point to be made about the accessibility of help. It's very easy to say that so-and-so doesn't bother trying to get help, but what if they've tried and they had a bad experience? If you're saying they should just get back on the horse and try again...yes, in a perfect world, that's what should happen. But that can be harder to do than you might realize.
Now again, is it our problem if you (general you here) can't or won't get the help you need? No, it's not. But sometimes it's definitely more than just a flat refusal to own the issue. Sometimes all the genuine good will in the world isn't enough. You need money or resources you just don't have, or you're living with people who are actively unsupportive, or who say stupid shit like "well just eat better and you'll feel better". Because diet does have an effect on mental health, but eating well won't cure clinical depression, bipolar disorder or any of half a hundred other psychiatric conditions. Therapy is usually needed, and medication is often (though not always) needed.
So this is where I come back to the "stand aside" comment. It's well and good to not want to help, and it's understandable if you don't want to hear more excuses. And some people really and truly don't expend much effort trying to fix their problems. But those people are actually pretty rare; there are usually complications involved, and it's all too easy to think you know a situation when you don't. It might be advisable to avoid talking about a person should just get on and do things, or insinuating that a person is a waste of time for not meeting your arbitrary standards on this point. Again, you don't have to deal with it, maybe, but you also don't have to make the situation any harder.
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