The link you sent is for an HTTP site... (just saying) On Thursday, October 15th, 2026 at 3:23 AM, WebDawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Team AUR, > > As a recent resubscribe to this list and a new reader with increased > motivation to work on the aur - anyone that subscribes to a mailing list > needs to understand I think the following. I think they need to understand it > because users are confused about how mailing lists work, and how old they > are, and how old how to use them has been around. They are an underpinning of > the culture. I think this is part of the confusion too: It could be argued > that a footer could be added to messages to explain to folks how to > unsubscribe also, but some folks who read thousands of emails a day, chose > not to do that. > > It is not acceptable to insult folks if they do not understand something. > Education and sharing, and teaching have been a part of the culture for close > to 50 or more years now. It is important to challenge people professionally: > Please read this if you are curious, and want to get information out of folks > better: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > Also, most folks know that the world is in a political uproar, and countries > have been trying to define the internet with law since it was invented, but > please keep in mind that this is a global network. With all due respect, I > cannot understand why the GDPR card was pulled here, but we want to stop > continuing to build divides in the community. I think everyone can agree that > world peace would be nice. > > We all love Linux, and we love the people that use it. Be happy and build :) > > Here is a quick explainer around mailing lists that everyone that has used > the words mailing list should understand: > > Arch Linux Mailing Lists: How to Unsubscribe and a Little History > ================================================================= > > The Arch Linux mailing list [email protected] > uses GNU Mailman 3, a mailing-list management system with roots > dating back to the 1990s. > > This is confirmed by Arch Linux's official announcement on > September 16, 2022, when the project migrated its mailing lists > from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. > > Mailman has provided automated subscription and unsubscription > management for decades. There is no need to send an email to > every member of a mailing list asking to be removed. But this is > not a big problem, and if you need help, some welcome it. > > This is a free world, built on free speech though so please take > care to understand you are talking to free thinking humans. We > have emotions, and opinions too. If you are having a bad day, > please have a better one. > > If you have sent the correct unsubscribe email, then please inform > the aur mailing list and action can be taken. > > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE > ------------------ > > To unsubscribe from aur-general, simply send an email from your > subscribed email address to: > > [email protected] > > The subject and message body can be left empty. > > Mailman may send a confirmation email requiring you to confirm > your request before removing your subscription. > > Alternatively, you can manage your subscription through the > official Arch Linux mailing-list website: > > https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/aur-general.lists.archlinux.org/ > > Many email clients also provide an Unsubscribe button using > information supplied in the List-Unsubscribe email header. I am not > sure how this works. > > A LITTLE HISTORY > ---------------- > > Mid-1990s: > GNU Mailman was originally developed. > > July 1998: > RFC 2369 standardized the List-Unsubscribe email header, > establishing a common mechanism for mailing lists to > advertise unsubscribe instructions. > > That was more than 28 years ago. > > December 2002: > GNU Mailman 2.1 was released. The familiar "-leave" > email-address convention was documented in this generation. > > That was nearly 24 years ago. > > April 2015: > GNU Mailman 3.0 was released, continuing support for > automated subscription and unsubscription management. > > That was more than 11 years ago. > > September 16, 2022: > Arch Linux officially migrated its mailing lists from > Mailman 2 to Mailman 3. > > October 2026: > Arch Linux continues to operate aur-general using > GNU Mailman 3. > > WHY EMAILING THE ENTIRE LIST DOES NOT WORK > ----------------------------------------- > > Sending a message with the subject "unsubscribe" or "leave" to: > > [email protected] > > does not initiate an unsubscribe request. > > That address is for distributing messages to subscribers. > An unsubscribe request sent there is simply another public > mailing-list message. > > The automated unsubscribe address is: > > [email protected] > > The distinction is important because mailing-list management > commands are handled separately from ordinary list messages. > You are interacting with software that is designed to save people > time: The Unix way is to do one thing and do it well. > > REFERENCES > ---------- > > Arch Linux's official Mailman 3 migration announcement: > https://archlinux.org/news/arch-linux-mailing-list-changes/ > > Official aur-general mailing-list management: > https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/aur-general.lists.archlinux.org/ > > RFC 2369, The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2369 > > GNU Mailman: > https://www.list.org/ > > Be well :) > -WebDawg > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 9:47 PM Pasha Finkelshtein > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm actually pretty sure that according to GDPR there should be a way >> to have my data removed if there is no legitimate interest to hold it. >> So one could argue that each mailing list should provide this >> opportunity. On the other hand, there is no strict definition of what >> "simple" means, and probably the unsubscribe address is this >> reasonably simple way. >> >> Best, >> Pasha >> >> Pasha Finkelshteyn >> Developer Advocate >> Mobile: [+49 1525 981-7123](tel:+49%201525%209817123) >> Email: [email protected] >> bell-sw.com >> >> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 at 09:24, Kaur Männamaa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Thanks. However, I consider the manual unsubscribing a mistake. No >>> requests made using such tone should be granted, particularly if to >>> consider that the art of leaving a mailing list isn't exactly rocket >>> science. >>> >>> I would have loved to see the 'complaint' made 'to the relevant >>> authority' in this matter. >>> >>> If there have recently been technical difficulties that have prevented >>> users from unsubscribing then that's another matter. Still, that would >>> in no way justify the tone. >>> >>> Kaur >>> >>> 14.10.26 10:10 Jelle van der Waa kirjutas: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > On 14/10/2026 09:02, [email protected] wrote: >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> I have twice requested to be removed from your mailing list, without >>> >> success. >>> >> >>> >> I ask that you immediately stop sending emails to [email protected] and >>> >> confirm its removal. >>> >> >>> >> If the messages continue, I will mark them all as spam and forward my >>> >> complaint to the relevant authority. >>> > >>> > I have manually unsubscribed this user, for any else wanting to leave >>> > the mailing list simply mail [email protected] with >>> > anything in the subject/body as mailman ignores it. >>> >>>
