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> On 7 Mar 2016, at 3:20 PM, Bob Dircks <dircks....@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? > > Are you thinking wool, beef or cropping ? > >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Optusnet <jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> Hi Matt, >> >> Just out of interest what would it cost to develop our own farm system. ? >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 7 Mar 2016, at 2:12 PM, Matthew Scutter <yellowplant...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> FLARM's idea of licensing is for you to produce identical hardware to run >>> their proprietary software on.[1] There is no standard, open or closed, to >>> license and implement. This really doesn't have any bearing to the ISO >>> standards writing process, except in how dissimilar it is. >>> >>> As for the encryption, here's the IGC's views on the matter[2] >>> "it is our opinion that the justifications for encryption cited by FLARM >>> are weak, and that the actual motivations for encrypting the messages fall >>> largely outside the technical realm." >>> >>> I think FLARM has done great things for gliding. I am proud to own a >>> PowerFLARM, but they've overstepped the mark with encryption. >>> >>> [1]http://flarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FLARM-System-Design-and-Compatibility.pdf >>> [2]http://www.fai.org/downloads/igc/IGC_2016_Plenary_AX6_2_4 >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Justin Couch <jus...@vlc.com.au> wrote: >>>>> On 7/03/2016 1:42 PM, Mark Newton wrote: >>>>> Protecting the text of a standard under copyright and making it >>>>> purchasable, is not the same thing as making the standard unimplementable >>>>> without paying license fees, and you know it. >>>>> >>>>> Reputable standards bodies insist on open royalty free patent licensing >>>>> these days. The ones that don’t are slowly marginalizing themselves. >>>> >>>> Incorrect. I've been involved in the ISO standards writing process for >>>> just over 20 years now - including part of the MPEG 4 and 7 standards, so >>>> I know it inside out. Reputable standards bodies like ISO have individual >>>> IP policy for every specification or group. It is not blanket across the >>>> organisation. In the case of MPEG, there is a large patent body pool >>>> called MPEG-LA. You cannot implement an open standard without paying >>>> license fees for the patents behind. MPEG is very far from being an >>>> isolated incident at ISO. There are other completely open standards such >>>> as SEDRIS or X3D that require contributors to license any contributed >>>> patents for zero cost to all implementors. There's, of course, others in >>>> between. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can write an MPEG implementation which interoperates with everyone >>>>> else’s MPEG streams and distribute it in competition with other MPEG >>>>> implementations, by following the text of the standard. >>>> >>>> No you can't. You can try, but they will come after you, particularly if >>>> you write an encoder. That's why alternates like Ogg guys started out - to >>>> completely avoid the patents. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Justin Couch http://www.vlc.com.au/ >>>> Java 3D Graphics Information http://www.j3d.org/ >>>> LinkedIn http://au.linkedin.com/in/justincouch/ >>>> G+ WetMorgoth >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> "Look through the lens, and the light breaks down into many lights. >>>> Turn it or move it, and a new set of arrangements appears... is it >>>> a single light or many lights, lights that one must know how to >>>> distinguish, recognise and appreciate? Is it one light with many >>>> frames or one frame for many lights?" -Subcomandante Marcos >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au >>>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au >> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au > http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
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