Hi Roger The weight of the inner panels on the ASH 30 Mi is similar. Schleicher has put the airbrakes in the inner panels which made them considerably longer and heavier compared to the inner panels on the ASH 25. I agree, you best use a rigging aid but the outer panels are surprisingly lightweight and can easily be removed for parking the glider in a hangar built for a 15m glider. On the other hand, large span gliders are usually equipped with an engine and get mostly flown to venues away from the home airfield. This makes the whole rigging and de-rigging issue almost irrelevant.
I’m still getting used to my new ship. So far I can only say that the handling is even better compared to the ASH 25. The rate of roll is about 30% faster - still, not quite as good as a modern 18 m glider but a huge improvement on other gliders of that size. Stand by for an update after I logged a bit more time in it. You are welcome to come for a flight in it at Horsham. Interested???? Kind regards and a Merry Christmas to you and all your gliding friends at Bacchus Marsh. Bernard > On 13 Dec. 2016, at 1:23 pm, Roger.D <rogdru...@bigpond.com> wrote: > > The Arcus inner panels are 100 to 101 kg. Easily managed with Cof G rigging > assistant. Tips are 7 to 7.5 kg, > > Roger Druce > > On 13/12/2016 1:01 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: >> Some years ago I sent them a sketch of a 20m two seater which had a JS1 wing >> with an additional meter on each wing root. >> Doesn't quite work for a motorglider SL version though as the minimum wing >> loading is too high. >> if they do builsd a 2 seater I hope they avoid the Moby Dick type fuselage >> that Schempp use. >> Schleichers are much better and after a couple of rides in the ASH25 I'm >> VERY impressed by that aircraft both in handling and performance. Rigging >> and de rigging weren't too bad either. Schleichers got the wing break out >> right too in that no part is ridiculously heavy. >> The Arcus wing inner panels are 107 kg each according to one owner. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ,At 11:32 AM 12/13/2016, you wrote: >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035C_01D25534.9280CA60" >>> Content-Language: en-au >>> >>> So we are thinking the JS2 will be the 20m 2 seat flapped glider to rival >>> the Arcus? >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Ross McLean >>> Mobile: + 61 488 270 105 >>> Telephone: + 61 7 4325 4771 >>> >>> From: Aus-soaring [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au >>> <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au>] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt >>> Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2016 10:08 AM >>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] JS3 >>> >>> >>> >>> From the South African chat group site I linked to >>> >>> Fransw >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42546&sid=de7b5ced5fa8b84951066ac029b5879f> >>> >>> 1k poster >>> >>> Posts: 1076 >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/search.php?author_id=42546&sr=posts&sid=de7b5ced5fa8b84951066ac029b5879f> >>> >>> Joined: Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:22 pm >>> Closest Airfield: Pretoria >>> Location: Pretoria >>> >>> Re: JS3 - New 15m glider from Jonker Sailplanes >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=183997#p1789823> >>> >>> Quote >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=1&p=1789823&sid=de7b5ced5fa8b84951066ac029b5879f> >>> Unread post >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1789823&sid=de7b5ced5fa8b84951066ac029b5879f#p1789823>by >>> Fransw >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=42546&sid=de7b5ced5fa8b84951066ac029b5879f> >>> » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:22 pm >>> Fransw wrote: >>> Bearcat wrote:What are the key differences to a JS1 ... and what happened >>> to the JS2 ? >>> >>> >>> I'm taking a big guess here, but isnt the JS2 their new self launcher ? Not >>> yet released as far as I know.. >>> >>> >>> No, sorry the new self launcher is called the JS1 Self Launcher not the JS2 >>> Maybe the JS2 is still a secret.. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------- >>> >>> Which is what the Jonker website calls the JS self launcher --- JS 1 self >>> launch. The link may be tagged JS2 but they clearly call it a JS 1 self >>> launcher >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 09:36 AM 12/13/2016, you wrote: >>> >>> JS2 seems to have become the JS1 self launcher, they give it away in their >>> early promo material / website URL's >>> I.e. http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/js2selflaun.htm >>> <http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/js2selflaun.htm> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mike Borgelt < >>> mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com <mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com>> >>> wrote: >>> Thanks Richard, >>> Here's another link to another image. >>> http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=183997 >>> <http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=183997> >>> Interesting. Note high location of wing and obvious section change near the >>> root with drooped leading edge for better alignment with alpha flow. >>> Retractable tailwheel. Note also locations of pitot static and TE probes on >>> the tips of the tailplane. Not bad guys. The probes can be a lot shorter >>> (should be a local chord ahead of the surface to prevent interference), the >>> flow at the tip shouldn't be affected much and moving the probes there >>> prevents the disruption of laminar flow over a substantial part of the fin. >>> Other than that it looks like a scaled down JS 1 wing. >>> Wanna bet that this will be a 15/18M glider? I can't see a huge market for >>> a dedicated 15m competition glider nowadays but a 15/18M should sell well. >>> The JS1 seems optimised for 18/21M. >>> So what happened to the JS2? I'd say it is a JS1 with the JS3 tech >>> incorporated. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 08:05 AM 12/13/2016, you wrote: >>> >>> Just in case anyone missed it, Jonkers flew a 15m prototype. No word yet on >>> whether it will be at Benalla or not. >>> http://www.jonkersailplanes.de/js3-the-second-one/ >>> <http://www.jonkersailplanes.de/js3-the-second-one/> >>> Rich. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> <http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>> >>> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >>> instrumentation since 1978 >>> www.borgeltinstruments.com >>> <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/>tel: <tel:%C2>  07 4635 5784    >>>  overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >>> mob: 042835 5784                : int+61-42835 5784 >>> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> <http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> <http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>> >>> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >>> instrumentation since 1978 >>> www.borgeltinstruments.com >>> <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/>tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: >>> int+61-7-4635 5784 >>> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >>> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >>> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> <http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring>Borgelt Instruments - >>> design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 >> www.borgeltinstruments.com >> <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/>tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: >> int+61-7-4635 5784 >> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> >> http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring >> <http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring> > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au > http://lists.base64.com.au/listinfo/aus-soaring
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