I think that tuggies in combinations should also climb in a circle too and
it should be mandatory. You are taught in a PPL course to lower the nose
frequently to check your blind spot in a climb. A glider was being towed up
behind a Pawnee in a straight line and a C172 approached in a conflicting
course. The glider pilot thought that they could see each other but they
did not till they were quite close. Both were in each others blind spot.
The tuggie was even looking out for the C172 who had broadcast an inbound
call!
PeterS.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: RE: [aus-soaring] Of airspace infringements and Viz from 767
> I appreciated the comments below from the B767 end of the equation. It
> assists my understanding of that end.
>
> I am also a tug pilot and seldom descent straight ahead. I prefer to do a
> constant turn while descending as I believe it improves visibility ahead
> and where I am going to be.
>
> Alan Wilson
> 02 62316 404
> Would rather be above 8,000 than on the ground talking about flying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter
> White
> Sent: 7 February 2001 9:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Of airspace infringements and all that ....
>
>
> More strange words from Redmond.
>
> At 11:56 PM 6/02/01 +1030, Redmond wrote:
> ".....I believe any glider with any potential to be seen by the calling
> aircraft ...."
>
> A Boeing 767, flown by a glider pilot of world repute, flying over your
> NOTAMed glider activity, safely within his airways route has lots of
> potential to see you thermaling below him. I have seen gliders from
> airliners.
>
> Is he going to call you to ask your position and altitude REDMOND? I
don't
> think so.
>
> " Potential visual distance is likely to be 10km in normal circumstances"
>
> Where do you get your wonderful eyesight from Redmond? I wish I could see
> conflicting light aircraft or high speed military traffic at 10km (5.4nm)
> head on to me, and decide what action to take, without a radar of course.
> But I don't think my MK I eyeballs are that good.
>
> "If an aircraft track is not going to get within 10km of your
> track/position I would suggest chances of collision with that aircraft are
> zip regardless of who has their eyes closed."
>
> I wonder what the probability equation of "zip" is? Is it like the big sky
> theory? And how often do you close your eyes when flying VFR?
>
> "Multiple gliders responding to the call from outside this clearance range
> will merely clog the communication channel and hide sensible responses in
> the chaff."
>
> What is clearance range? Is it the area that you assume you are safe in?
> Or is that what they do in a bombing/gunnery range......clear it before
the
> commence firing? Regardless of thermal activity that might help you win
the
> comp. 2000LB bombs generated immense thermals.
>
> Sorry Redmond I am being rather harsh.
>
> I often hear glider pilots at my club talk about relying on the radio to
> ensure they avoid hitting someone else. The same sort of radio that GFA
has
> fought long and hard not to have to carry in our gliders.
>
> Your words remind me of them.
>
> Sure, listening to the radio is an aid in enhancing your situational
> awareness of other traffic around you but your concentrated lookout and
> decision making about where to fly when you see another aircraft are what
> will save your butt. But as Stewie Ferg says, if you don't respond with
the
> words that the other pilots understand................then what is the
> point. "......Alpha Bravo Zulu, I'm five kilometres east of the
telephone
> box junction two thousand feet above the launch point, where are you?"
>
> As a tug pilot I often see gliders turn directly at or ahead of the
> climbing tug/glider combination, albeit at a safe distance, and then not
> change track or they turn somewhere unexpected that has potential to
worsen
> the conflict. I am sure they have seen the climbing pair but then wait
> until they are too close before deciding what to do in order to not make
it
> worse. I think they ASSUME that the tuggie and glider pilot has seen them
> and know what they are trying to do. As a glider pilot I happily thermal
> aggressively with the gaggle but as soon as I see a potential conflict I
do
> something to avoid letting the situation deteriorate or close up even
> further. I hope my skill continues to keep me safe, otherwise you can come
> to my funeral and throw egg on my face in the casket.
>
> As soon as someone is stationary in your windscreen, no matter how far
from
> you they are, turn somewhere safe and don't allow the situation to close
up
> to the stage that wide open eyeballs and shivering sphinkter (someone will
> correct my spelling) make you move the control column and rudder pedals
> further and faster than you have for the past hours.
>
> Thats it for tonight's gospel of PENETRATION.
>
> Amen.
>
>
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