It doesn't say that: It says that you can't take off and land at a place other than an aerodrome unless it is suitable for the purposes of take-off & landing. It does not allocate the definition of aerodrome to such places
Under your interpretation, most of the paddocks in NSW would be defined as aerodromes > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) > Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 10:34 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] When (or what) is an aerodrome..... ? > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Leigh Bunting > ? > > > >Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA) wrote: > > > >> I think for the purposes of the radio procedures your > >paddock becomes > >> an aerodrome when you begin to take off from (or land in) it! > > > >So every ag-pilot in Australia will now be flying the > >prescribed circuit pattern and making all the necessary radio calls? > >Every station-owner flying down to the back paddock to check > >the windmill is also going to do all this? > > No, of course they are not going to call and they will still be legal > (as far as I know). The point which people seem to have issues with are > that the recommended calls are not mandatory. As pilot in command you > get the choice (and responsibility) of what to do to ensure the safety > of flight taking into account the circumstances. > > As to what is an aerodrome. The question that was asked previously, my > previous guess was pretty close! CAR 92 d): > > 92 Use of aerodromes > (1) A person must not land an aircraft on, or engage in conduct > that causes an aircraft to take off from, a place that does not > satisfy one or more of the following requirements: > (a) the place is an aerodrome established under the Air > Navigation Regulations; > (b) the use of the place as an aerodrome is authorised by a > certificate granted, or registration, under Part 139 of > CASR; > (c) the place is an aerodrome for which an arrangement under > section 20 of the Act is in force and the use of the > aerodrome by aircraft engaged in civil air navigation is > authorised by CASA under that section; > (d) the place (not being a place referred to in paragraph (a), > (b) or (c)) is suitable for use as an aerodrome for the > purposes of the landing and taking-off of aircraft; > and, having regard to all the circumstances of the proposed > landing or take-off (including the prevailing weather > conditions), the aircraft can land at, or take-off from, the place > in safety. > > IE if the place is suitable (and safe) for the purposes of takeoff or > landing it is an aerodrome. > > > >I don't think so. I asked these questions of the presenter at > >the Adelaide session of the Roadshow and at the end of beating > >around the subject, his answer was 'yes'. I got the feeling I > >had backed him into a corner and he couldn't really admit reality. > > > >Can I pose another question. At Whitwarta, we have a several > >instances a year of fixed-wing and helicopters blundering, if > >not through the circuit area, then through the immediate > >'getting away' airspace outside it. I'm convinced they don't > >even know we are there. What frequency are they likely to be > >monitoring? > > During the time I was CFI at PAGC we also had numerous instances like > this. An Orion, a flight of Squirel helicopters (which went right over > the aerodrome just as a Blanik was about to launch) and multiple civil > aircraft. I don't think this is unusual for any gliding operation away > from major population centres. > I am sure you are right. IE. they don't know these airstrips are there, > nor how we operate. On occasion I have managed to communicate with some > of these overfliers, who have sounded surprised that there was a gliding > club there (although marked on the maps). I suspect that many pilots > (military and civil) don't check and never know. Also (others can jump > in here and correct me, if wrong) I think many of the military aircraft > don't carry VHF. > > However, nothing in the new rules will change any of this. > > >If it is 126.7, then it could be interesting to see what > >changes over the next year or so. > > > Regards > SWK > > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
