I thought our toys were our gliders and that tugs were just our mechanical thermals.
Must admit I do enjoy flying the tug, particularly when I find a good thermals and give the lucky glider pilot a great launch - what I will never understand is when you have centred a glider pilot in fat 10kt thermal at 1500agl some of them hang on until their pre-programmed 2000ft agl launch height. SDF _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Wilksch Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 1:56 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Fair enough :-) Just boys and their toys! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> & Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Tom <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wilksch' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Understand all of that Tom, just seems like your throwing $500 at a $20 problem. You will have to do a lot of launches to break even. SDF _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Wilksch Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera You use a wide angled mirror, and what is being talked about here is a rear viewing camera. What is the difference in terms of distraction? Sureley they are both just showing the rear view using different methods? I'm fairly sure the tug mistress at Joeyglide this year had something like this setup already. I vaguely remember talking about it. Can anyone else who was there recall? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> & Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Discussion of issues relating to <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera While the use of new technology can be fun, sometimes it can also be distracting, and costs far exceed gains. How many ropes do your tuggies destroy a month in the fence, and what is the cost? As a Tuggie I usually see and feel the glider release, and in a lot of cases the glider pilot keys his mic and says thanks, indicating his release, if the glider is so far out of station that you can't see him in the mirror 99% of the time you will feel that too, and you hope the instructor would do something before you have to. We use a wide angle mirror, great in flight, not so great on the ground, two mirrors would fix that. One or two pilots like to trick you into not knowing when they have released - they are quickly fixed, charge them for the additional altitude that cuts down on repeat offences. _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Hi Derek But only solves on of our two needs. Being certain the glider is off before suddenly shutting the throttle and descending at 80 kts is more important. Creating a tug upset causes the tuggy to guillotine the rope which is then thrown in the garbage - $100! Michael _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Ruddock Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:48 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera How about mounting a small magnet in the rope near the coloured marker to trigger a reed relay or similar and operate a buzzer? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:34 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Lake Keepit is experimenting with an on board Tost rope recoil winch on our eTug that eliminates loss of rings, eliminates risk of tug upset (tug has a guillotine on the rope) reduces taxiing time, saving time and fuel. To speed up "take up slack" we want to mount a small video camera on the tug release bracket to see a colour marker on the rope (indicating rope nearly out) and also to see the glider has released. eTug has the ability to descend abruptly so safety demands certainty of glider release. Most car and truck rear vision cameras have a wide angle view - 95 to 110 degrees. We need about 45 degrees - can anyone help source a robust water resistant 12v video camera? Michael Shirley _____ _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 12/03/2007 19:19 _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.10/720 - Release Date: 12/03/2007 19:19
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