I think he did a few of your Half Flick – Half Loops Tom! Pretty sure there were a couple of full flick-rolls in there too but they seemed to have a lot of buffet, didn’t ease the back pressure on the stick.
Nice video. ROSS _________________________________________________ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John Parncutt Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2010 4:19 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Puchacz Flick rolls WARNING the following video depicts a Puchacz in other than straight and level flight. Concerned members of this group can be rest assured that at NO stage during this flight was the Puchacz allowed to enter a spin which we all know from previous discussions on this group could have been catastrophic. (We let it do just about everything else though) J I hope you enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLJvQh0duLM Cheers, John From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2010 7:11 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle On the Puch plackard : "half roll-half loop" actually refers to a half flick [to inverted] then a pull through [half loop]. If done too fast you may full flick. It is a fine manoeuvre, Kerrie loves them!! We learnt to do them in Poland in an 11000hr Puch! Tom --- On Thu, 15/4/10, Ross McLean <ross...@bigpond.net.au> wrote: From: Ross McLean <ross...@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Received: Thursday, 15 April, 2010, 8:04 PM A flick roll executed well can generate quite a high but instantaneous G loading. Executed poorly it can put a considerable amount of stress on an airframe. The higher the entry speed the greater the amount of G and resulting stress on the airframe. I think that is what Morgan was referring to, he initiated his Puchacz flick at a higher than recommended airspeed and thus stressed the airframe more than intended. ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 5:19 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle I am interested in the statement " *all* of the white tape had split" . I had the dubious pleasure :) to be shown the flick roll by Shane McCafrey who's ability as well as opinions on maters related to gliding I respect. I do not recall huge g-forces during the maneuver at all. I am pretty sure that Shane mentioned that as the aircraft was stalled, the forces were not great. Cheers Paul On 15 April 2010 16:37, Morgan < <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=discu...@sandercock.com> discu...@sandercock.com> wrote: It’s too easy to judge Puchacz based on reports like “5 similar spinning accidents.” They were not all similar. The one that I read contained some rather graphic description of the dead instructor’s fingers bloodied from trying to grasp the broken rudder cable. They do have a maintenance kit out (not an AD) which addresses this issue. Both of our club Puchacz had this modification done as soon as we could get out hands on the kit. In my view as a Form 2 inspector it significantly improves a mechanical detail which looked “wrong” and could easily lead to accidents like the one I read where the rudder cable had obviously broken before impact and made it impossible to get out of the spin. And the type is rated for flick rolls, under some very restrictive weight-and-balance limitations (pilot weight between 65 and 69kg on one of ours.) It is a very impressive manoeuvre, particularly for the know-it-all hotshot who has no idea how you suddenly entered a full spin from 54 knots straight-and-level. It is also rather humbling for the instructor who thought 56 knots was good enough and found that *all* of the white tape had split. (That was me.) - Morgan Sandercock From: <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of james crowhurst Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:48 AM To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle Peter, Puchacz's have had a bad rap lately, particularly on a British glider web-chat thing. There they say that the glider is unpredictable and spins too readily, sometimes unrecoverable and it has killed people as a result. I have many hours on this type and have in my time 'rung the sh*t out of them'. I have always found the type pleasant and does exaclty what you want it to. Spin direction reversals are particularly well demonstrated on this type, as are stall turns (big rudder). You can flick roll them too (not that i would do that myself in a type not rated for it). I don't tend to do this stuff much anymore, much more fun to blast in off X-country. However, when you're bored in the middle of winter in the UK doing sled rides, it makes the day more interesting. Thats all. > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:36:08 +0800 > From: <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@exadios.com> > p...@exadios.com > To: > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > Hi; > > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, james crowhurst wrote: > > > > > I'm concerned that it was dangerously boring. But then again, you wouldn't > > want to do a turn or a turn reversal in a Puchacz.....it'll spin and kill > > you! > What do you mean? > > > > > Nice camera angle though! Aeros would be good using that mount. > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > From: <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oz...@bigpond.net.au> > > oz...@bigpond.net.au > > To: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:35:33 +1000 > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am concerned that lookout appears to have been inadequate, especially to > > the right hand side. > > > > > > > > From: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Sean Jorgensen-Day > > Sent: 11 April 2010 11:05 PM > > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > If you are going to criticise be specific about the issues. > > > > What are the issues you are worried about? Explain them. > > > > If you do not explain the mere mortals in the real world are not able to > > learn. > > > > > > > > > > From: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Roger Browne > > Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2010 10:14 PM > > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > Agreed. > > > > Roger Browne > > > > > > > > From: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Dave Donald > > Sent: 11 April 2010 8:56 PM > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > > > > > I'm just curious about what type of check flight this was? They can have > > various flavours, but I've got some serious issues about this one, even at > > the most basic level. > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: John Parncutt < > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jparn...@bigpond.net.au> > > jparn...@bigpond.net.au> > > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. < > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> > > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > > Sent: Sun, 11 April, 2010 7:42:10 PM > > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle > > > > Hi, > > > > For those interested here?s my most recent video taken at Bacchus Marsh on > > Saturday. Matthew Milsom in the front seat having a check flight with Alan > > Payne our CFI. > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu0fbph5-Aw> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu0fbph5-Aw > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > John > > > > Cheers > > -- > Peter F Bradshaw: <http://www.exadios.com/> http://www.exadios.com (public > keys avaliable there). > Personal site: <http://personal.exadios.com/> http://personal.exadios.com > "I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to > keep us guessing." - Sam Kekovich. > _______________________________________________ > Aus-soaring mailing list > > <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _____ Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> Sign-up now. _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list <http://nz.mc1142.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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