Hi Paul
Judging by the last 2 weeks' worth of postings, they tell people what
a bad rule it is and issue warnings that the people who sign for the
second inspection open themselves to civil litigation.
Wombat
At 13:14 19/05/2011, you wrote:
Thanks Mike, that is what I thought. Could not see any other
problem. So, the question arises, what do the people who do not
provide a signature do when they rig their own gliderless and I
assume wish to be insured?
Paul
On 19/05/2011 1:06 PM, "Mike Cleaver"
<<mailto:wom...@netspeed.com.au>wom...@netspeed.com.au> wrote:
> Paul
>
> Most insurance companies require that all legal requirements are met
> in the operation of your aircraft, and are likely to void the
> insurance (i.e. refuse a claim) if they find something like a legal
> requirement for a second inspection has been overlooked. The
> signature is the proof that a second inspection has been done.
>
> Whether or not a second inspection has been well done, was physically
> (as opposed to legally) necessary, or, as in the UK case, would not
> have found the fault - the rules call for it so an insurance company
> can use this excuse if they so choose.
>
> Wombat
>
>
> At 08:21 19/05/2011, you wrote:
>>Hi Harry
>>
>>I would agree that a second inspection is always a bonus, unless it
>>leads to poorer initial inspection in the hope that the second
>>inspection is likely to catch the omissions from the first inspection.
>>However I do not think that is the problem some people have in this
>>thread. It is the liability that their signature may expose them to.
>>One could argue, that if a second inspection is done well, it would
>>prevent any legal troubles down the road. However the Foka incident
>>shows otherwise - some faults with rigging are not able to be seen.
>>That being said, what is the penalty if there is no second signature
>>on the DI (after rigging). Does the pilot / club loses their insurance?
>>Personally, when asked I do the second inspection and supply my
>>signature. Why, one would ask, well that is simple, sometimes I
>>require a second signature when I rig my glider, so to withhold mine
>>would seem rather selfish. If everyone took the attitude that they
>>will not provide the second inspection and their signature it would
>>bring the club system to a disarray.
>>
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>On 19 May 2011 05:45,
>><<mailto:hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au><mailto:hw.medlicott@optusne
t.com.au>hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>Hi All
>>
>>As a very early solo pilot I hired a glider at a professional
>>operation. the glider was on
>>the launch point.
>>I started todo my walk around check but was told ithe glider was OK
>>and the tug was waiting.
>>Did it anyway. On touching the elevator found the horisontal
>>tailplane moved freely up and
>>down 50/75 mm at the
<<http://tip.it>http://tip.it><http://tip.it>tip.it had not been
connected properly.
>>
>>The glider had just been rigged after an outlanding. Not sure what
>>would have happened
>>if I had not found it but suspect it would not have been pretty.
>>
>>Would suggest that even if the probability of a second check finding
>>an error was one in a
>>hundred thousand it would still be worthwhile.
>>
>>Interstingly, the more intelligent the person, the more likely to
>>make mistakes doing
>>relatively simple tasks - their mind wanders off elsewhere.
>>Also,human nature being what it
>>is, we tend to be more thorough when we know our work is being checked,
>>Harry Medlicott
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