There seems to be an assumption that Seeyou mobile (oudie) is bug free. The latest version is pretty good but only thanks to a lot of user input and feedback.
There were a lot of functional/usesbility advantages of Seeyou over XC. That gap is quite small now and in some areas reversed. The one advantage for oudie is its out of the box and is a damn good display. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2013, at 7:43, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Club vario-continued (Alan Wilson) > 2. Re: Club vario-continued (Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON) > 3. Re: Club vario-continued (tshir...@internode.on.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:05:45 +1100 > From: Alan Wilson <a...@ozemail.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Cc: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <60de4002-c042-4410-a4b4-72129ffd2...@ozemail.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would like to say XCSoar is great. If you own a $100k glider then perhaps > several more thousand on cockpit instruments is your fancy. In my experience > they have most of the same niggles: they all need plenty of pre flight work. > > I fly whatever the club offers at club rates so the club benefits. I carry a > $50 Chinese GPS velcro'd to my Jeans. It is now powered by a $50 Kogan USB > 6600 mah battery. Sometimes I can fit it on a RAM mount powered by a > cigarette lighter fitting in some club gliders. > > XCSoar provides me with heaps of information: wind velocity after 3 orbits, > long snail trail, last thermal sources, in sector at turn points, very > accurate final glides, safety heights...... And a multitude of other > information. The red/green below/about glide marker on the LHS keeps me > safe when local soaring etc. you can see meant traces on the OLC. > > Simple, effective, cheap and mine in any glider. > > XCSoar guys, many thanks, please keep it up and open source. Ta... > > Alan Wilson > Canberra for the last 40 years. > > Sent from my iPad...... So I know about proprietary software. > >> On 18 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Paul Bart <pb2...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I would like to support Scott's position. I have run XCSoar on many devices >> HP 318, Dell Streak, lately on Nexus 7 and Nexus 4., never a problem. On >> Android even the update take care of themselves. A fantastic project. >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> >>>> On 18 October 2013 16:39, Scott Penrose <sco...@dd.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>> When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for >>>> thought. >>> >>> I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen or >>> done it. >>> >>> But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do you >>> use? Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs IE? Open >>> Office vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages in 8 point font. >>> >>> Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not based >>> on whether it is open source or not. Of course there is a lot more open >>> source software, so you get more of all types :-) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20131019/bc4d9c57/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:38:16 +1100 > From: Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON <s...@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: <04f74730-6181-4a59-afa2-047200bc0...@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Alan, > I'll disagree about the pre flight niggles. > > Mine is a Club Class aircraft, a B500 and an (using SeeZyou) set up with > aircraft > and location profiles; apart from entering the task of the day it's plug and > play - and > thats what most club pilots want. > > The biggest attraction of XCSoar is its free. > > Stuart FERGUSON > Phone - 0419 797508 > > >> On 19/10/2013, at 7:05, Alan Wilson <a...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: >> >> I would like to say XCSoar is great. If you own a $100k glider then perhaps >> several more thousand on cockpit instruments is your fancy. In my experience >> they have most of the same niggles: they all need plenty of pre flight work. >> >> I fly whatever the club offers at club rates so the club benefits. I carry >> a $50 Chinese GPS velcro'd to my Jeans. It is now powered by a $50 Kogan USB >> 6600 mah battery. Sometimes I can fit it on a RAM mount powered by a >> cigarette lighter fitting in some club gliders. >> >> XCSoar provides me with heaps of information: wind velocity after 3 orbits, >> long snail trail, last thermal sources, in sector at turn points, very >> accurate final glides, safety heights...... And a multitude of other >> information. The red/green below/about glide marker on the LHS keeps me >> safe when local soaring etc. you can see meant traces on the OLC. >> >> Simple, effective, cheap and mine in any glider. >> >> XCSoar guys, many thanks, please keep it up and open source. Ta... >> >> Alan Wilson >> Canberra for the last 40 years. >> >> Sent from my iPad...... So I know about proprietary software. >> >>> On 18 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Paul Bart <pb2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would like to support Scott's position. I have run XCSoar on many devices >>> HP 318, Dell Streak, lately on Nexus 7 and Nexus 4., never a problem. On >>> Android even the update take care of themselves. A fantastic project. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On 18 October 2013 16:39, Scott Penrose <sco...@dd.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: >>> >>>> When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for >>>> thought. >>> >>> I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen or >>> done it. >>> >>> But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do you >>> use? Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs IE? Open >>> Office vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages in 8 point font. >>> >>> Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not based >>> on whether it is open source or not. Of course there is a lot more open >>> source software, so you get more of all types :-) >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20131019/ed890fcf/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:43:41 +1100 > From: tshir...@internode.on.net > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > <13a73602462ba264bf62903e002da4f5ceba1...@webmail.internode.on.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi all, > Warning - cliche alert. ? > Most of the following applies to everything, not simply Open Source > Software or XCSoar. ?I make no criticism of that product because I > know next to nothing about it > 1. ? In life, you don't always get what you pay for, but it's not a > bad way to bet.2. ?Quality is remembered long after price is > forgotten.3. ?What everyone owns, no one owns (like public > transport).4. ?Software development is sexy and creative, and lots of > people want to do it. ?I'm still doing it, even at my age. ?The > development, I mean!5. ?Software maintenance is a pain in the > proverbial and no one wants to do it - especially for free. > A couple of very prominent members of this list have made a living > over a long period of time by making and supporting products for our > sport that people were willing to buy. ?They did not and could not > sustain that effort without getting paid for it. ?They have to eat. > ?I applaud them and support them, even if I don't always agree with > them :) ?So should we all. > > Cheers > > _TIM_ > > _Tra dire e fare, c?? mezzo il mare_ > > ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > To:"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > Cc: > Sent:Sat, 19 Oct 2013 07:38:16 +1100 > Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Club vario-continued > > Alan, ? ? ? ? ?I'll disagree about the pre flight niggles. > Mine is a Club Class aircraft, a B500 and an (using SeeZyou) set up > with aircraft and location profiles; apart from entering the task of > the day it's plug and play - and thats?what most club pilots want. > The biggest attraction of XCSoar is its free. > Stuart FERGUSON?Phone - 0419 797508 > > On 19/10/2013, at 7:05, Alan Wilson wrote: > > I would like to say XCSoar is great. ?If you own a $100k glider > then perhaps several more thousand on cockpit instruments is your > fancy. In my experience they have most of the same niggles: they all > need plenty of pre flight work. > I fly whatever the club offers at club rates so the club benefits. > ?I carry a $50 Chinese GPS velcro'd to my Jeans. It is now powered by > a $50 Kogan USB 6600 mah battery. Sometimes I can fit it on a RAM > mount powered by a cigarette lighter fitting in some club gliders. > XCSoar provides me with heaps of information: wind velocity after 3 > orbits, long snail trail, last thermal sources, in sector at turn > points, very accurate final glides, safety heights...... And a > multitude of other information. ?The red/green ?below/about glide > marker on the LHS keeps me safe when local soaring etc. ?you can see > meant traces on the OLC. > Simple, effective, cheap and mine in any glider. > XCSoar guys, many thanks, please keep it up and open source. Ta... > Alan Wilson Canberra for the last 40 years. > Sent from my iPad...... So I know about proprietary software. > On 18 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Paul Bart wrote: > > I would like to support Scott's position. I have run XCSoar on many > devices HP 318, Dell Streak, lately on Nexus 7 and Nexus 4., never a > problem. On Android even the update take care of themselves. A > fantastic project. > Cheers > > Paul > > On 18 October 2013 16:39, Scott Penrose wrote: > > On 18/10/2013, at 5:27 PM, Mark Fisher wrote: > When you run XCSoar you accept the niggles of open source. Food for > thought. > I really have no comment on how XCSoar runs on the Oudie, never seen > or done it. > But the comment is about out of line for open source. What phone do > you use? Is Android more niggly than iOS? Maybe. What about Chrome vs > IE? Open Office vs Office? Firefox? List could go on for a few pages > in 8 point font. > Quality of projects, installation, documentation and usability is not > based on whether it is open source or not. 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