Hopefully NOT a target :) -----Original Message----- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard Frawley Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 10:51 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Install
Yes, i agree with Erich that correct Flarm Antenna installation is critical. Over the last 2 years since taking an interest in this particular aspect, I have observed some horrible installs with the antennas stuck to the sides of radios or Varios, planar antennas (paddle pop) pointing the wrong way, antenna buried in loom wiring, crushed cabling etc etc. Remember to also have the GPS antenna mounted with a clear and unobstructed view of the sky. I even saw one of those mounted upside down and another vertically mounted. If you think your aerial is poorly placed, then please, ask around and get someone in your club who knows about these things to help you position it correctly, it might be your life that is saved. I also agree that there is no substitute for head up and out which is why i have voice annunciation. My flarm display is also smack in the center and right at the top of the panel so i have minimum target acquisition time when needed. Regards Richard > On 17 Mar 2015, at 10:22 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: > > Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bolts (Graham Holland) > 2. Re: Flarm support non existant (Ian Mc Phee) > 3. Re: Swiss Flarm fix (Erich Wittstock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:28:36 +1100 > From: Graham Holland <grahamholl...@iinet.net.au> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Bolts > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > Message-ID: <a58e0ae9-202c-476b-9099-d7b6c3141...@iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > A recent posting revealed some difficulty in sourcing bolts for gliders. I didn?t think they were that arcane. Basic Sailplane Engineering (BSE) says that ?All German and some other European gliders use bolts that have been manufactured to a DIN specification.? (p.1.5.1) and that the most common bolt meets DIN 931. So how easy is it to buy such a bolt? > > Din 931 has been superseded by ISO 4014-2011, Hexagon head bolts-product grade A and B. This is identical to AS 1110.1-2000, ISO metric hexagon headed bolts and screws - product grade A and B ? bolts. Many Australian fastener suppliers such as Coventry Fasteners (aka Konnect), Tower Fasteners and James Glen supply high tensile steel bolts to AS 1110.1. Stainless steel bolts to DIN 931 are also available. So it seems to be more a matter of bolts for aircraft rather than aircraft bolts. > > I would expect glider manufacturers to specify bolts, but I could not find any reference to a bolt specification in the maintenance manual for the Duo Discus and PW5 (they were to hand). Where would it be? > > Graham > > Graham Holland > 27 Johnston Crescent > Lane Cove NSW 2066 > Australia > 02 9427 3282 > grahamholl...@iinet.net.au > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments > /20150317/6b3b6b6a/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:00:40 +1100 > From: Ian Mc Phee <mrsoar...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support non existant > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > > <CAAMD4KoGokqGyFJFH5rve=3lrrftmxghmegcmda2aaf4cxo...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > That is not good re "classic" flarm units. > > I do know in Germany and Austria companies are obliged to provide 10 > years after sales service after production ceases. Look at > Glassflugel if you wanted a spring for a Std Libelle it would be in > the post today and you will receive next week. Hanko and Christian > still provide outstanding service. I would have thought the Swiss > would have similar rules. G Winter & Co (Achim Winter) will service a > 50 year old vario and maybe it will cost Eur120 but it will be just as > good as new. The future may be an issue only because there are not > many young people becoming watch makers which is the type of person Achim Winter needs in his company. > > I have Cambridge logger sr no C001. Yes it the first ever logger in > the world from 1993. It has worked till recently and awaits a > replacement Garmin GPS engine. > > And if you have Cambridge Lnav, model 20 logger or Cambridge 302 /303 > system I have all spare boards ready to install next week no worries. > The firm Cambridge is long since gone but the ClearNav people realized > it is not a good look for instruments without after sales service even > though they have no obligation to provide service. > > After sales service is so important and is sad that maybe the Swiss do > not realize this. > > Ian McPhee > 0428847642 > >> On 17 March 2015 at 00:06, David Kinlan <dkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> I can only add to Laurie Simpkins concerns. >> Recently y 4yr old SwissFlarm had a defect and could no longer >> receive a signal. On contacting Flarm in Switzerland they informed me >> that they no longer support any of the purported 25,000 flarm units >> out there (they referred to these as the 'classic' flarms they will >> only service powerflarms. So once your classic flarm has an issue it >> it effectively worthless and beyond repair. I am guessing everyone >> out there is not aware of this as it is not clear from their website. >> >> David Kinlan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments > /20150317/c7edd39c/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:21:59 +1100 > From: Erich Wittstock <deepb...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Swiss Flarm fix > To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." > <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> > Message-ID: > > <caph3infj6kixrgqdezxdy+csc8c_dod1r2gcddq2zib19z4...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Here is a "fix" that forces updates to swissflarm, ozflarm, minioz. > The trick is to power up the flarm before connecting the "data" line: > > 1. do not connect the flarm to the cable - leave it powered down 2. > download the flarmtool from the flarm website > http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ > 3. install and run the flarmtool > 4. select "Flarm" - "Recover" from the menu 5. if your flarm has got a > button: press that whilst connecting to power only (well, if there is > no button like on the mini-oz - don't press anything). Use a flarm > update cable that allows to connect power to the flarm - do not > connect the serial cable as yet. > 6. wait for 20 seconds (keep the button pressed) 7. connect the data > cable (to your serial port on the computer) and let go of the button > 8. the update will run > > > Laurie gained a bachelor degree with honors in SwissFlarm, Colibri2, > and Oudie on the weekend... > David Kinlan's SwissFlarm is now running version 6 as well. > > There is no more commercial hardware support available for original > flarms to my knowledge. > If you have trouble doing the above procedure: maybe someone in your > club can help. I am happy to help. Worst case scenario: you will have > to get the flarm to me somehow and I will try my best. > Unless you have money to throw around: try to keep your original flarm > operational - powerflram is not the answer to all problems. > > My personal opinion: flarm is a great idea. It's great when it works. > But I am someone that heavily relies on the latest version of > LookOut?. I update LookOut? continually when flying. One problem is > that LookOut? is out of date as soon as you look somewhere else. > However, you can keep updating Lookout? completely free and I do so. > One BIG drawback with flarm / powerflarm is: there is no automated > range / function test. All that flarm gives you are green lights. I > always try to get my hands on as many flarm files as possible to check > them with the flarm range analyzer > http://flarm.com/support/tools-software/ > It's amazing how many flarms give all green lights - but the range > stops somewhere at the wingtip and has got gaps due to obstacles close > to the antenna. You just don't know if your ham-sandwich interferes > with the reception on the flarm antenna. The only useful files to > upload to the range analyser are flarm files that had plenty of > interaction with other flarms (comp files are particualry good). > I have flarm connected to XC-Soar - it gives you an idea where other > gliders are, inclusive of cimb rate ;-) But flarm is useless as soon > as there is another flarm with crappy antenna. > And always remember: very few general aviation aircraft are fitted > with flarm. They will most likely be fitted with a transponder. Is > PowerFlarm the answer? PowerFlarm will give you a "transponder" alert > - but no direction or height indication. Very few RA-Aus aircraft are > fitted with a transponder, let alone flarm. > > I am with Laurie, the mandatory requirement to fit flarm for all > gliders is somehow questionable. OK for comp jockeys - but still: > LookOut? is tool number 1 even in comps. > ASI, altimeter, vario, radio and compass are checked as part of the Form 2. > Maybe it is a good habit to check flarm files on a regular basis as > well - it's free! > Erich > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Laurie Simpkins <lahi...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, Might be best if i let the guys who fixed it explain as out of >> my depth. i know one follows this forum. >> On another note i also run a PCAS , hasn't needed updating yet, and i >> have found very handy around the circuit and on cross country's for >> any GA running a transponder. Neither my Flarm or PCAS picks up the >> rest of sports aviators sharing the sky with us so still have to >> trust old fashion eyeballs. Got 52 years out of them before first >> upgrade and confirmed warranty expired as soon as i left home! >> >> cheers >> laurie >> >>> From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>> Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 138, Issue 27 >>> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:38:23 +1030 >>> >>> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >>> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Flarm support non existant (David Kinlan) 2. Re: Flarm Update >>> (Chris Runeckles) >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:06:48 +1000 >>> From: David Kinlan <dkin...@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm support non existant >>> To: "aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net" >>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>> Message-ID: <dub127-w683a02817ad62c739c3b1da4...@phx.gbl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> I can only add to Laurie Simpkins concerns. >>> Recently y 4yr old SwissFlarm had a defect and could no longer >>> receive a >> signal. On contacting Flarm in Switzerland they informed me that they >> no longer support any of the purported 25,000 flarm units out there >> (they referred to these as the 'classic' flarms they will only >> service powerflarms. So once your classic flarm has an issue it it >> effectively worthless and beyond repair. I am guessing everyone out >> there is not aware of this as it is not clear from their website. >>> >>> David Kinlan >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>> scrubbed... >>> URL: < >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >> /20150316/04347dd6/attachment.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:08:16 +0800 >>> From: Chris Runeckles <cmruneck...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Update >>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>> Message-ID: >>> <cag02_klkkqiutekoegx+wbd7npjywv02qdwu-vw4lde_yk4...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Hi Laurie >>> >>> So before I make the same error with my Swiss flarm, what was the >> problem? >>> and could you share the fix with the forum please >>> >>> Many thanks >>> >>> Chris Runeckles >>> GCWA >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Laurie Simpkins >>> <lahi...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Just attempted to updated my Swiss Flarm this weekend and turned it >> into >>>> an expensive paperweight. Fortunately two well known members of WGC >>>> ( thanks again) pooled their combined knowledge and many hours >>>> later it became a semi useful part of the airframe again. Was about >>>> to scrap all electronics and install my cosim vario and make my own >>>> beeping >> noises??? >>>> It will be a sad day IMHO when we mandate any form of electronic >>>> device for all gliders as standard equipment. I appreciate their >>>> use for >> gliders >>>> and tugs ( I used to tow ) in comps etc but as the owner of some >> vintage >>>> gliders ( including my open cirrus) i challenge their relevance in >>>> all parts of our sport. >>>> I still believe we could help ourselves more by encouraging more >>>> anti collision marking ( read all the arguments) and keeping our >>>> heads out >> of >>>> the cockpit where they belong. >>>> Before you crucify me ( as happens occasionally here) please >>>> justify >> your >>>> comments with why you think i need a Flarm or equivalent in a >>>> vintage >> or >>>> training aircraft mostly operating in the CTAF. Soon we will be >>>> asked >> these >>>> questions as a body and i hope we answer wisely. >>>> I say again i support and understand the relevance in a comp >>>> situation >> for >>>> devices likes Flarms however we will need to make future decisions >>>> and rules for all the gliding community. >>>> Currently i probably couldn't operate at some local clubs due to an >>>> insistence an Flarms for all aircraft??????????? >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> Laurie >>>> >>>> GMO,GDW,GEF,GHJ,GTG >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>> Subject: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 138, Issue 25 >>>>> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:22:52 +1030 >>>>> >>>>> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to >>>>> aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >>>>> specific than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: FLARM update (Mike Borgelt) 2. Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>> (Erich Wittstock) 3. Re: Easter Comp 2015 cancelled (Ian Downes) >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:47:29 +1000 >>>>> From: Mike Borgelt <mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM update >>>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>> Message-ID: <77bbc2$v9j...@ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >>>>> >>>>> As a standalone device a Flarm is merely an expensive GPS data >> source. >>>>> >>>>> Flarm is a *system* and requires other devices and compatibility >>>>> between devices to function. >>>>> The usefulness also degrades rapidly as the proportion of >>>>> potential targets either is not equipped or the unit isn't working >>>>> or is non compatible. >>>>> >>>>> Analogies with parachutes aren't useful. There are many parachute >>>>> manufacturers and I'm not aware that licence fees are being paid >>>>> by the others to one manufacturer and while there may be >>>>> airworthiness directives from time to time on a particular brand >> or >>>> type of >>>>> >>>>> parachute there aren't potential fleet wide problems every year. >>>>> >>>>> Not a problem until use is mandated as in contests or some clubs. >>>>> >>>>> The serious parts of aviation seem to go to lots of trouble to >>>>> maintain backwards compatibility. >>>>> i.e. continuing use of pressure altitude instead of GPS altitude, >>>>> Mode A transponders are compatible with Mode C and mode S and ADSB >>>>> co-exists with these on >> the >>>> same >>>>> >>>>> frequencies. Except in the USA where the potential congestion >>>>> means they have gone to 978Mhz for ADSB for small aircraft and >>>>> maintained the Extended squitter transponder 1090 Mhz use for >>>>> large aircraft. That means ground stations and being in range of >>>>> one for the two >>>>> >>>>> sets of users to know about each other. Wonderful! >>>>> >>>>> TCAS as used in airliners also has the feature that the system >>>>> logic is known to the users and users are trained in >> it. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago I analysed a mid air between two gliders in >>>>> Austria. Both Flarm equipped and both Flarms were working. The >>>>> pilots frantically scanned and still failed to see each other >>>>> whereupon one turned left - right across the other glider's >>>>> flightpath and the >>>>> >>>>> collision occurred. Otherwise they'd have missed. >>>>> Fortunately both managed to land safely. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At 10:56 AM 16/03/2015, you wrote: >>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>> As you have reminded many in the past, - this is a Gliding Forum. >>>>>> Keep the politics and political comments out of it. >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14/03/2015 8:32 PM, Tim Shirley wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop working tomorrow, >>>>>>> because there is nothing to stop them working. A Flarm on V5 >>>>>>> will see a Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is probably >>>>>>> better for the upgrade at a club, or in an area where gliders >>>>>>> often fly together, to be co-ordinated. Making an instant change >>>>>>> to your own Flarm might simply disable yours :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, and if that is >>>>>>> irresponsible well then more irresponsibility from Tony Abbott >>>>>>> would be good (if that is possible). They have NEVER guaranteed >>>>>>> that a major version upgrade is backward compatible, in fact >>>>>>> they have always said that any backward compatibility between >>>>>>> major versions is coincidental. I make no comment on the reasons >>>>>>> or the necessity for this policy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for the far too high >>>>>>> expectations we have of it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just look out the window - no version changes required but make >>>>>>> sure your specs are up to spec. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Shirley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> tra dire ? fare c' ? mezzo il mare >>>>>>>> On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: >>>>>>>> FYI: >>>>>>>> FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. >>>>>>>> It's available here: >>>>>>>> <http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/> >>>> http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) >>>>>>>> are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your >>>>>>>> FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots >>>>>>>> with the >> other >>>> version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <soapbox opinion> I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to >>>>>>>> publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I >>>>>>>> am not flying in the Alps this weekend. </opinion> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>>>> <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>>>> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>>> <mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>>> <http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring> >>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>>>>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>>>>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>>>>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>>>> >>>>> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >>>>> instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com >>>>> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >>>>> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, >>>>> QLD 4350, Australia >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>>>> scrubbed... >>>>> URL: < >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >> /20150316/97c4f1e8/attachment.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:19:16 +1100 >>>>> From: Erich Wittstock <deepb...@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <caph3ingu9naf3qd9syosnusgocnb6z6dzxvcxnu_2bjsm0n...@mail.gmail.co >>>>> m> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> Regretfully the decision has been made to cancel this years Easter >>>>> Competition that was to be held at Goondiwindi. The principal >>>>> reason >> was >>>>> a lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to >>>>> justify >> the >>>>> commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the >>>>> small numbers in the classes gave little competition. >>>>> >>>>> It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than >> try to >>>>> run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of >> months >>>>> for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >>>>> >>>>> For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this >> year all >>>>> is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all week >>>>> and offer non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If >>>>> you are interested contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lindsay Mitchell >>>>> President >>>>> Queensland Gliding Assoc. Inc. >>>>> 0419 280 811 >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >>>>> scrubbed... >>>>> URL: < >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments >> /20150316/770436f8/attachment.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:52:43 +1100 >>>>> From: "Ian Downes" <iandow...@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>> To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" >>>>> <aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> >>>>> Message-ID: <000801d05fd7$560db290$022917b0$@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> Good evening all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry to hear about the need to cancel this years event at >> Goondiwindi. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As well as our friends at Warwick, Lake Keepit is also operating >>>>> over >>>> the Easter break as part of our full time operation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Whilst accommodation at the club and the adjoining caravan park is >>>> pretty tight, we do have plenty of camping spots available. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you can't make Warwick we would love to see you at Keepit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ian Downes. >>>>> >>>>> Lake Keepit Soaring Club >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: >>>> aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Erich >> Wittstock >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:19 PM >>>>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Easter Comp 2015 cancelled >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regretfully the decision has been made to cancel this years Easter >>>> Competition that was to be held at Goondiwindi. The principal >>>> reason >> was a >>>> lack of competitors. There were not sufficient entrants to justify >>>> the commitment of the organisers, it was a risk financially and the >>>> small numbers in the classes gave little competition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is unfortunate however we felt it better to cancel rather than >> try to >>>> run a sub-standard event. We will commence planning in a couple of >> months >>>> for Easter 2016. Watch for our announcements. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For those who have made the commitment to go to Goondiwindi this >>>>> year >>>> all is not totally lost for you. Warwick Club intend to fly all >>>> week >> and >>>> offer non-competitive scored soaring for those interested. If you >>>> are interested contact Warwick club www.warwickgliding.org.au < >>>> http://www.warwickgliding.org.au/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lindsay Mitchell >>>>> President >>>>> Queensland Gliding Assoc. 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