I'll support this - join a group that can represent your interests in a combined
submissions that carries weight from the number of people/organisations/members 
behind
it. It can be the ITPA, or Internet Australia (we have a dedicated ISP SIG for
industry things, which did make an effective difference with data retention), or
another group, don't care - but currently, unless you're a member of 
CommsAlliance, or
you write your own submissions, your voice is unheard.

In this case, the bill is likely to be referred to the PJCIS (Parliamentary 
Joint
Committee on Intelligence and Security), which also covered the metadata issue 
a few
years back. Making even a short general submission now to say 'I'm interested' 
will
put your organisation on record, and you may be given an invitation to speak to 
the
Committee and explain how the laws will affect you personally or your 
organisation.
Its not scary. Or you can join a group that will provide a front-man to do 
that, with
your input into the points they argue on your behalf.

A submission doesn't have to be long - a page or two can cover the main points.

Paul.








On 16/08/2018 12:33 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 at 11:10, Paul Julian <p...@buildingconnect.com.au
> <mailto:p...@buildingconnect.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Paul,
>
>      
>
>     Where do you even start ?
>
>     I would love to be able to comment on these things properly but how do you
>     structure a response that isn’t just a whinge and saying that it’s not 
> fair and
>     blah blah, it would need to offer alternatives or suggestions on how else 
> this
>     could be accomplished or why it shouldn’t be in the first place.
>
>
> Apologies if this isn't considered appropriate on this list, but I think the 
> point
> of joining representative organisations is important, especially on this 
> topic.
>
> Join a group like ITPA (it doesn't have to be ITPA, so this isn't "strictly" 
> an ad -
> more a drive to get people participating in industry associations.  The more 
> members
> we have, the stronger our voice.  We have commented strongly on this issue, 
> and will
> continue to do so on this and other issues of importance to IT Professionals.
>
> ITPA Associate membership is free.  Paid membership is less than the cost of 
> a cup
> of coffee a week.
>
> If not us, choose another representative organisation, and make sure your 
> voice is
> heard.
>
> If you (and others) don't, then things like Metadata Retention, breaking 
> encryption,
> and goodness knows what they have up their sleeves next will continue to go 
> through.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>  
>
>      
>
>     I would be interested in working with others as I think this is totally 
> NOT ok,
>     but I just don’t know where to even start, anybody ?
>
>      
>
>     Regards
>
>     Paul
>
>      
>
>     *From:*AusNOG <ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> *On Behalf Of *Paul Wilkins
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 16 August 2018 11:00 AM
>     *To:* AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill
>
>      
>
>     *They're taking feedback/submissions/comments for 4 weeks only - is anyone
>     planning to submit some comment?*
>
>      
>
>     It'd be sad if the government only saw response from a few corporates
>     representing their vested interests. Representative democracy only works 
> on a
>     put up or shut up basis. Anyone with an interest in the evolution of our
>     industry should consider making a submission, or at least expressing by 
> proxy
>     through a joint submission.
>
>      
>
>     Kind regards
>
>      
>
>     Paul Wilkins
>
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