Facebook do have their own network globally and they also have Facebook Messenger, and a lot of the service is encrypted so this bill would very much apply to them.

It isn't just a website they have an entire platform ware Apps for both mobile and desktop can be created and the network side of it as well, they have an extensive network.

I think the issue with these bills is they are so dam vague and the government don't have a great record when it comes to anything IT related.




On 8/18/2018 4:57 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:
This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run by content creators, or even websites at all).

The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.

This bill should never pass.


On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly, <c...@cpkws.com.au <mailto:c...@cpkws.com.au>> wrote:

    On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net
    <mailto:ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net> wrote:

    > Possible scenario:
    >
    > 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is
    picked up by
    > security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm
    sending
    > some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers.
    This call
    > constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
    > carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
    Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would
    happen.
    You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
    equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
    and an appointment needs to be booked.
    You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID
    which
    gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when
    you enter.
    You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
    them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
    If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
    writing and hang up the phone.
    Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call
    techs  job.
    The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
    Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
    were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
    So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved
    and a
    lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
    with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take
    responsibility
    for hardware.

    This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing
    video of
    child abuse to remain on the platform.
    If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
    and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would
    even
    be being discussed.
    The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
    This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.

    Regards Chad.

-- Chad Kelly
    Manager
    CPK Web Services
    Phone 03 5273 0246
    Web www.cpkws.com.au <http://www.cpkws.com.au>

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