If Australia passes this into law, we become the source of data for the others. We just do the dirty work for them.
Why have a dog and do your own barking? Why spy on your citizens when Australia can do it for you? On Wed, 5 Dec. 2018, 11:49 am Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com wrote: > "If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other > jurisdictions." > > I think this legislation and all its warts is going to be a particularly > Australian feature. > > The UK have RIPA already, which will probably become enforceable law after > Brexit but there the notices require judicial approval. Europe is a no go > due to GDPR and America has the 2nd Amendment, so surveilling citizens is > a non starter. > > So far I've not seen any mention the interim law will have a sunset > clause. Let's see, but if there's to be new legislation after the election, > we may get a very different result. > > Without a sunset clause, political reality, we'll have to wear a botched > job. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 10:30, Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote: > >> >> >> > On 5 Dec 2018, at 9:54 am, Ross Wheeler <ro...@albury.net.au> wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018, Mark Andrews wrote: >> > >> >> More than likely they will get the app developer to make >> >> a custom version, >> > >> > I wonder if they pay the app developer for this "service"? >> > If the developer is outside Australian jurisdiction, how can they >> “persuade" >> > the developer to comply? And what's to stop the developer telling all >> and >> > sundry what the changes were? >> >> If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other >> jurisdictions. Also “you cannot sell to Australians” with enforced >> removal from app stores is likely to happen. From the government’s >> perspective removal of the app is just as good as a compromised app. >> >> >> Most people will update when they are told the app is out of date. >> > >> > After this legislation passes, I think a great many people - especially >> > those doing things that may bring them to the attention of authorities - >> > will be highly suspicious of "updates" of all sorts. >> >> They still have to communicate with the rest of the world which is moving >> on. >> >> >> We are training people to update regularly to close security holes. >> > >> > Or, to open new ones, as the case may soon be. >> >> In general updating is the safer thing to do despite the small >> risk of new bugs being introduced especially if it update is >> billed as a maintenance release. >> >> >> Alternatively they will covertly install the updated version >> >> on the device. >> > >> > If they have the ability to do that now, why are the extra powers >> required? >> >> Reverse engineering a fake app to make it behave like the original app is >> difficult and error prone. Much simpler to get the developer to add the >> covert logging capability to the existing app. >> >> > R. >> >> -- >> Mark Andrews, ISC >> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia >> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >
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