Per the APH calendar <https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/About_the_House_News/This_week_in_the_House> they were supposed to kick off with the the Assistance and Access, but Frydenberg is now talking to Treasury Laws Amendment.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 12:20, Robert Hudson <hud...@gmail.com> wrote: > If Australia passes this into law, we become the source of data for the > others. We just do the dirty work for them. > > Why have a dog and do your own barking? Why spy on your citizens when > Australia can do it for you? > > On Wed, 5 Dec. 2018, 11:49 am Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> "If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other >> jurisdictions." >> >> I think this legislation and all its warts is going to be a particularly >> Australian feature. >> >> The UK have RIPA already, which will probably become enforceable law >> after Brexit but there the notices require judicial approval. Europe is a >> no go due to GDPR and America has the 2nd Amendment, so surveilling >> citizens is a non starter. >> >> So far I've not seen any mention the interim law will have a sunset >> clause. Let's see, but if there's to be new legislation after the election, >> we may get a very different result. >> >> Without a sunset clause, political reality, we'll have to wear a botched >> job. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Paul Wilkins >> >> On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 10:30, Mark Andrews <ma...@isc.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> > On 5 Dec 2018, at 9:54 am, Ross Wheeler <ro...@albury.net.au> wrote: >>> > >>> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> > >>> >> More than likely they will get the app developer to make >>> >> a custom version, >>> > >>> > I wonder if they pay the app developer for this "service"? >>> > If the developer is outside Australian jurisdiction, how can they >>> “persuade" >>> > the developer to comply? And what's to stop the developer telling all >>> and >>> > sundry what the changes were? >>> >>> If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other >>> jurisdictions. Also “you cannot sell to Australians” with enforced >>> removal from app stores is likely to happen. From the government’s >>> perspective removal of the app is just as good as a compromised app. >>> >>> >> Most people will update when they are told the app is out of date. >>> > >>> > After this legislation passes, I think a great many people - especially >>> > those doing things that may bring them to the attention of authorities >>> - >>> > will be highly suspicious of "updates" of all sorts. >>> >>> They still have to communicate with the rest of the world which is moving >>> on. >>> >>> >> We are training people to update regularly to close security holes. >>> > >>> > Or, to open new ones, as the case may soon be. >>> >>> In general updating is the safer thing to do despite the small >>> risk of new bugs being introduced especially if it update is >>> billed as a maintenance release. >>> >>> >> Alternatively they will covertly install the updated version >>> >> on the device. >>> > >>> > If they have the ability to do that now, why are the extra powers >>> required? >>> >>> Reverse engineering a fake app to make it behave like the original app is >>> difficult and error prone. Much simpler to get the developer to add the >>> covert logging capability to the existing app. >>> >>> > R. >>> >>> -- >>> Mark Andrews, ISC >>> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia >>> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> AusNOG mailing list >>> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >>> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> AusNOG mailing list >> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net >> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog >> >
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