On 15/10/2019 5:09 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote: > Well that is interesting Narelle, however, if it's anticompetitive to > discriminately > treat packet based VOIP traffic, then it is likewise anticompetetive to cross > subsidise your circuit based business by shunting traffic over a competitors' > packet > based network. What's sauce for the goose etc.
a) Hot-Potato routing, a staple for Internet traffic-flows since forever, is all about shunting traffic onto other people's networks as early as possible - this is basically that - if there are two paths to get a packet to the handset - choose the best quality path. Hot-Potato routing is hardly anti-competitive. b) Its not your competitors traffic. Its your customers' traffic, requested by your customers' devices attached to your customers' WiFi networks. c) there was a time when it would be a cold day in hell before a telephone network engineer would consider pushing a well-managed high-quality voice call over an unmanaged, flaky, unknown, uncontrolled medium such as a best-efforts Internet network, let alone a not-mine ISP network, let alone a (shudder) end-user WiFi segment. That this is even a thing should be regarded as a testament to the high-enough quality of Internet data networks no longer being considered a poor cousin to an on-net end-to-end-managed carrier backbone network. Its not anti-competitive, its pro-competitive admiration that your network is better than theirs in some places. Blocking it would indeed be anti-competitive. Paul. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 14:45, Narelle Clark <narel...@gmail.com > <mailto:narel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 10:14, <m...@ozonline.com.au > <mailto:m...@ozonline.com.au>> wrote: > > > > Also, anyone have any thoughts about what ACL one might put in place > > to block wifi calling if one was of a mind to? > > The last time I had a conversation with the Chair of the ACCC about > deliberately degraded (poor or no performance of) VoIP on other > networks, he wasn't impressed... > > The phrase anti-competitive behaviour was used... an eyebrow was raised... > > People do notice when SIP, RTP etc stop working on networks, so it > really isn't a good idea. > > That applies to the big players as much as it does to the smaller > ones, btw. If you want to release a new product or service, surely you > *want* to reach their customers too? And you want your customers > happy? > > -- > > > Narelle Clark > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog > > > _______________________________________________ > AusNOG mailing list > AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net > http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
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