Hi, Mike. We've applied consistent hyphenation per your request. Please note that we also hyphenated "fully specified replacements", "fully specified digital signature algorithm identifiers", "fully specified COSE ECDSA algorithms", "fully specified encryption", etc., because "fully specified" also acts as a modifier in these instances.
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I've thought about it since receiving your > note yesterday, and I'd be more comfortable if we restored the hyphens to the > compound adjective uses. In particular, please change all instances of > "fully specified algorithm" back to "fully-specified algorithm". > > Yes, CMOS permits the omission of the hyphen. But including the hyphen makes > it sound like my writing, which I've decided is important to me. > > Thanks all! > -- Mike > > P.S. I'll address the other AUTH48 questions shortly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandy Ginoza <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2025 3:25 PM > To: Michael Jones <[email protected]> > Cc: RFC Editor <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Alice > Russo <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9864 > <draft-ietf-jose-fully-specified-algorithms-13> for your review > > Hi Mike, > > Thank for trying to follow the guidance we previously sent! What you said is > correct — compound adjectives are hyphenated when appearing before the noun. > CMOS treats adverbs ending with -ly differently — that is, no hyphen whether > appearing before or after the noun. We removed the hyphen from “fully > qualified” for this reason. If you feel strongly about using the hyphen in > this case, please let us know. > > Thanks, > Sandy > > >> On Sep 19, 2025, at 10:47 AM, Michael Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the detailed work on this specification, Lynne and Karen! Before >> responding to the rest of the feedback, I wanted to get a broader set of >> opinions one change made, including possibly from Sandy and Alice, who I’ve >> added to the thread. >> >> Uses of the compound adjective "fully-specified" (typically used in the >> context "fully-specified algorithms") were changed to "fully specified". >> The rationale for this change cited was as follows: >> >> a) The following term was used inconsistently in this document. >> We chose to use the latter form. Please let us know any objections. >> >> fully-specified / >> fully specified (e.g., "are fully-specified", "are fully >> specified", "fully specified RSA algorithms")* >> >> * Per the Chicago Manual of Style >> ("Compounds formed by an adverb ending in ‑ly plus an adjective or >> participle (such as largely irrelevant or smartly dressed) are not >> hyphenated either before or after a noun, since ambiguity is >> virtually impossible (a smartly dressed couple).") >> >> In previous interactions with the RFC Editor, I’d been told that the normal >> convention was to hyphenate compound adjectives qualifying a noun, such as >> “fully-specified algorithms”, but to not hyphenate noun phrases, such as >> “The algorithm is fully specified”. Therefore, I followed that convention >> in the document. >> >> Not that this is authoritative, but a Bing search result for “when to >> hyphenate words” opens with: >> Here are some rules for when to hyphenate words: >> • Compound Adjectives: Hyphenate two or more words when they come >> before a noun and act as a single idea, such as "well-written book". >> • Modifiers: Use a hyphen when a compound modifier precedes the noun it >> modifies, like "high-speed chase". >> >> This seems to support retaining the hyphenation when used as a compound >> adjective. >> >> Personally, retaining the hyphenation in these contexts seems more natural >> to me, the Chicago Manual of Style’s suggestion notwithstanding. >> >> But I’d be curious what others think. I’ve added Sandy and Alice to the >> thread in case they want to weigh in. >> >> Thanks all, >> -- Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2025 12:52 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9864 >> <draft-ietf-jose-fully-specified-algorithms-13> for your review >> >> Authors, >> >> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) >> the following questions, which are also in the source file. >> >> 1) <!-- [rfced] Please note that the document title has been updated as >> follows. The abbreviations "JOSE” and "COSE" have been expanded per Section >> 3.6 of RFC 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). Please let us know any objections. >> >> Original: >> Fully-Specified Algorithms for JOSE and COSE >> >> Currently: >> Fully Specified Algorithms for JSON Object Signing and Encryption (JOSE) >> and CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) --> >> >> >> 2) <!-- [rfced] Section 2.1: Because it appears that "full-specified" >> means "fully specified", we updated this text accordingly. If this is >> incorrect, please let us know what "full-specified" means (possibly >> "specified in full"?). >> >> Original: >> (The corresponding JOSE registrations in [RFC7518] are >> full-specified.) >> >> Currently: >> (The corresponding JOSE registrations in [RFC7518] are fully >> specified.) --> >> >> >> 3) <!-- [rfced] Section 3: We see "COSE_Encrypt" but not "COSE Encrypt" >> in RFC 9052, and we do not see "COSE Encrypt" or "COSE_Encrypt" in RFC 9053. >> Please let us know how/if this sentence should be updated so that it is >> clear to readers. For example, we see "using COSE_Encrypt, as specified in >> Section 5.1 of [RFC9052]" later in this section. >> >> Original: >> This section describes the construction of fully-specified encryption >> algorithm identifiers in the context of the JOSE and COSE encryption >> schemes JSON Web Encryption (JWE), as described in [RFC7516] and >> [RFC7518], and COSE Encrypt, as described in [RFC9052] and [RFC9053]. >> --> >> >> >> 4) <!-- [rfced] Section 3: Please confirm that "must specify" in this >> sentence shouldn't be "MUST specify". >> >> Original: >> To perform fully-specified encryption in COSE, the outer "alg" value MUST >> specify all parameters for key establishment and the inner "alg" >> value must specify all parameters for symmetric encryption. --> >> >> >> 5) <!-- [rfced] Section 3.1: "as are the key wrapping with AES GCM >> algorithms" reads oddly. Should "key wrapping with AES GCM" be placed in >> quotes, per the quoted algorithm types in the next paragraph? >> >> We have the same question for "The JOSE Key Encryption with PBES2 >> algorithms" two paragraphs later. >> >> Original (all three paragraphs included for context): >> In both JOSE and COSE, all registered key wrapping algorithms are fully >> specified, as are the key wrapping with AES GCM algorithms. An example of >> a fully-specified key wrapping algorithm is "A128KW" (AES Key Wrap using >> 128-bit key). >> >> The JOSE "dir" and COSE "direct" algorithms are fully specified. The COSE >> direct+HKDF algorithms are fully specified. >> >> The JOSE Key Encryption with PBES2 algorithms are fully specified. --> >> >> >> 6) <!-- [rfced] We have included some specific questions about the IANA text >> below. In addition to responding to those questions, please review all of >> the IANA-related updates carefully and let us know if any further updates >> are needed. >> >> "JSON Web Signature and Encryption Algorithms" registry: >> >> https://www.i/ >> ana.org%2Fassignments%2Fjose&data=05%7C02%7C%7C761b71ce49ea42e893e008d >> df7cb5bc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638939174977198 >> 029%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMC >> IsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata= >> CCsHjfSEXogPWw41%2BnQ5FgSZeVvROWTr15w6AKfNFzY%3D&reserved=0 >> >> "COSE Algorithms" registry: >> >> https://www.i/ >> ana.org%2Fassignments%2Fcose&data=05%7C02%7C%7C761b71ce49ea42e893e008d >> df7cb5bc1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638939174977219 >> 591%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMC >> IsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata= >> hKJMlde7C2HHG1HQuxidLHfhg2gJgU5xCjUPc3lqnRE%3D&reserved=0 >> >> a) Section 4.1: As the "JSON Web Signature and Encryption Algorithms" >> registry was established by RFC 7518, we have replaced RFC 7515 with RFC >> 7518 as shown below. We have also removed RFC 7515 from the normative >> references section as it was only mentioned in Section 4.1. >> Note that RFC 7518 is listed as an informative reference; please let us know >> if this is okay as is or if it should be normative. >> >> We also included that this document was listed as an additional reference >> for the registry at the end of the sentence below (and have removed the >> related text from Section 4.3, which describes the updates to the review >> instructions for the DEs). >> Note that a similar change was made to Section 4.2 for the "COSE Algorithms" >> registry, as shown below. >> >> Please review and let us know of any objections. >> >> Original (Section 4.1): >> This section registers the following values in the IANA "JSON Web Signature >> and Encryption Algorithms" registry [IANA.JOSE] established by [RFC7515]. >> >> Currently: >> IANA has registered the values in this section in the "JSON Web Signature >> and Encryption Algorithms" registry [IANA.JOSE] established by [RFC7518] >> and has listed this document as an additional reference for the registry. >> >> ... >> Original (Section 4.2): >> This section registers the following values in the IANA "COSE Algorithms" >> registry [IANA.COSE]. >> >> Currently: >> IANA has registered the following values in the "COSE Algorithms" >> registry [IANA.COSE] established by [RFC9053] and [RFC9054] and has added >> this document as an additional reference for the registry. >> >> b) Per the changes noted in a) above, we will ask IANA to update the >> reference for the "COSE Algorithms" registry as shown below (i.e., update >> the section number listed for this document). >> >> Original: >> Reference >> [RFC9053][RFC9054][draft-ietf-jose-fully-specified-algorithms-13, >> Section 4.3.1] >> >> Suggested: >> Reference >> [RFC9053][RFC9054][RFC9864, Section 4.2] >> >> c) In Section 4.2.1, we note that this document lists section numbers for >> the algorithms but the "COSE Algorithm" registry does not, so there is a >> mismatch. Should "Section 2.1" and "Section 2.2" be removed from this >> document for consistency with the registry, or should IANA add "Section 2.1" >> and "Section 2.2" accordingly for consistency with this document? >> >> Section 2.1 listed in the document >> but not in the registry for: >> ESP256 >> ESP384 >> ESP512 >> ESB256 >> ESB320 >> ESB384 >> ESB512 >> >> Section 2.2 listed in the document >> but not in the registry for: >> Ed25519 >> Ed448 >> >> d) For "ES512" in the "COSE Algorithm" registry, we note that "IETF" >> is not listed under "Change Controller". Should "IETF" be added to the >> registry or removed from this document? >> >> Currently in this document: >> Name: ES512 >> Value: -36 >> Description: ECDSA w/ SHA-512 >> Capabilities: [kty] >> Change Controller: IETF >> Reference: [RFC9053] and RFC 9864 >> Recommended: Deprecated >> --> >> >> >> 7) <!-- [rfced] RFC 8152 has been obsoleted by RFC 9052. 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