Hi Alanna,

Thank you very much for making those changes.
I approve the updated text.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 4:55 AM Alanna Paloma
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jen,
>
> Thank you for sending those additional changes. We have updated the files 
> accordingly.
>
> FYI - Per your request to add a citation to RFC 6146, we have added a 
> reference entry for it in the Informative References section.
>
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>  https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872.pdf
>
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>  https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872-auth48rfcdiff.html (AUTH48 
> changes side by side)
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> this one)
>  https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872-lastrfcdiff.html (rfcdiff between 
> last version and this)
>
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>
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> Thank you,
> Alanna Paloma
> RFC Production Center
>
> > On Sep 26, 2025, at 5:22 PM, Jen Linkova <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alanna,
> >
> > Sorry for the delayed response, we (the authors) discussed the changes
> > and have a few more comments:
> >
> > 1) The short title update from "
> > Original:
> > Prefer RFC8781
> >
> > Current:
> > IPv6 Prefix Discovery
> >
> > IMHO “IPv6 Prefix” sounds confusing and a bit meaningless. Also, the
> > proposed mechanism can be used in dual-stack networks, strictly
> > speaking.
> > Therefore we'd like to suggest:
> > NEW:
> > “NAT64 Prefix Discovery”.
> >
> >
> > 2)
> > CURRENT:
> > PREF64: Pref64::/n or NAT64 prefix.  An IPv6 prefix used for IPv6
> > address synthesis and for network addresses and protocols translation
> > from IPv6 clients to IPv4 servers using the algorithm defined in
> > [RFC6052].
> >
> > PREF64 definition saying “from IPv6 clients to IPv4 servers” isn’t
> > strictly accurate, and the double use of addresses felt awkward
> > compared to the straightforward definition in 8781: “An IPv6 prefix
> > used for IPv6 address synthesis [RFC6146].” We should reuse the 8781
> > definition, especially given the close relationship between this draft
> > and 8781.
> > So we are proposing:
> > NEW:
> > PREF64: Pref64::/n or NAT64 prefix. An IPv6 prefix used for IPv6
> > address synthesis [RFC6146].
> >
> > 3) ORIGINAL:
> > Fundamentally, the presence of the NAT64 and the exact value of the
> > prefix used for the translation are network-specific attributes.
> >
> > Your comment was: "
> > As "are network-specific attributes" seems to directly describe "NAT64
> > and the exact values" rather than their presence, may we remove "the
> > presence of" from this sentence?",
> >
> > so the text was changed to
> > CURRENT:
> > "Fundamentally, the NAT64 function and the exact value of the prefix
> > used for the translation are network-specific attributes."
> >
> > However I'd disagree with a statement that "network-specific
> > attributes" seems to directly describe "NAT64 and the exact values"
> > rather than their presence“.
> >
> > It’s exactly the presence (or lack of thereof) which the device needs
> > to detect, and if there is NAT64 - then the specific prefix value.
> >
> > So  I’d either keep the original, or propose
> > NEW:
> > The presence or absence of NAT64 functionality, as well as its
> > associated prefix (if present), are network-dependent attributes.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 5:36 AM Alanna Paloma
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Nick,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your reply.  We have updated as requested.
> >>
> >> FYI - Per your response to query 11, we have made additional updates 
> >> throughout the document to clarify the usage of RFC citation tags. See 
> >> these updates in the files below.
> >>
> >> The files have been posted here (please refresh):
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872.xml
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872.txt
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872.html
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872.pdf
> >>
> >> The relevant diff files have been posted here:
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872-diff.html (comprehensive diff)
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872-auth48diff.html (AUTH48 changes)
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9872-auth48rfcdiff.html (AUTH48 
> >> changes side by side)
> >>
> >> Please review the document carefully and contact us with any further 
> >> updates you may have.  Note that we do not make changes once a document is 
> >> published as an RFC.
> >>
> >> We will await approvals from each party listed on the AUTH48 status page 
> >> below prior to moving this document forward in the publication process.
> >>
> >> For the AUTH48 status of this document, please see:
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/auth48/rfc9872
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Alanna Paloma
> >> RFC Production Center
> >>
> >>> On Sep 24, 2025, at 2:22 PM, Nick Buraglio <[email protected]> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 5:53 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Authors,
> >>>
> >>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as 
> >>> necessary) the following questions, which are also in the source file.
> >>>
> >>> 1) <!--[rfced] FYI - To closer reflect the full title of the document, we
> >>> have updated the short title as follows. Note that this appears in the
> >>> running header of the PDF output.
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>> Prefer RFC8781
> >>>
> >>> Current:
> >>> IPv6 Prefix Discovery
> >>> -->
> >>> Agreed. Suggest perhaps
> >>>
> >>> NEW: IPv6 Prefix Discovery in IPv6-only and IPv6-mostly networks
> >>>
> >>> 2) <!--[rfced] To avoid the repetition of "based" twice in the same 
> >>> sentence and
> >>> to clarify "[RFC7051] analysis", may we update this sentence as follows?
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   [RFC7050] introduces the
> >>>   first DNS64-based mechanism for PREF64 discovery based on [RFC7051]
> >>>   analysis.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   [RFC7050] introduces the
> >>>   first DNS64-based mechanism for PREF64 discovery per the analysis 
> >>> described
> >>>   in [RFC7051].
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> This works for me.
> >>> NEW:  [RFC7050] introduces the first DNS64-based mechanism for PREF64 
> >>> discovery per the analysis described in [RFC7051].
> >>>
> >>> 3) <!--[rfced] May we clarify the citations in the text below as follows?
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   Due to fundamental shortcomings of the [RFC7050] mechanism
> >>>   (Section 4), [RFC8781] is the preferred solution for new deployments.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   Due to fundamental shortcomings of the mechanism defined in [RFC7050]
> >>>   (see Section 4 for more details), [RFC8781] describes the preferred
> >>>   solution for new deployments.
> >>> Agreed.
> >>> NEW: Due to fundamental shortcomings of the mechanism defined in 
> >>> [RFC7050] (see Section 4 for more details), [RFC8781] describes the 
> >>> preferred solution for new deployments.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 4) <!--[rfced] We note that some of the acronyms listed in the Terminology
> >>> section are formatted in different ways (e.g., expanded form in 
> >>> parentheses,
> >>> acronym in parentheses, and expanded form in description). To make these
> >>> consistent, may we update to have the expanded form appear in the
> >>> description of the acronyms listed?
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   PREF64 (or Pref64::/n, or NAT64 prefix): An IPv6 prefix used for IPv6
> >>>   address synthesis and for network addresses and protocols translation
> >>>   from IPv6 clients to IPv4 servers using the algorithm defined in
> >>>   [RFC6052].
> >>>
> >>>   Router Advertisement (RA): A packet used by Neighbor Discovery
> >>>   [RFC4861] and SLAAC to advertise the presence of the routers,
> >>>   together with other IPv6 configuration information.
> >>>
> >>>   SLAAC: StateLess Address AutoConfiguration, [RFC4862]
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   PREF64: Pref64::/n or NAT64 prefix.  An IPv6 prefix used for IPv6
> >>>   address synthesis and for network addresses and protocols translation
> >>>   from IPv6 clients to IPv4 servers using the algorithm defined in
> >>>   [RFC6052].
> >>>
> >>>   RA: Router Advertisement.  A packet used by Neighbor Discovery
> >>>   [RFC4861] and SLAAC to advertise the presence of the routers,
> >>>   together with other IPv6 configuration information.
> >>>
> >>>   SLAAC: Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4862].
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> Agreed.
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>>
> >>> PREF64: Pref64::/n or NAT64 prefix.  An IPv6 prefix used for IPv6
> >>> address synthesis and for network addresses and protocols translation
> >>> from IPv6 clients to IPv4 servers using the algorithm defined in
> >>> [RFC6052].
> >>>
> >>> RA: Router Advertisement.  A packet used by Neighbor Discovery
> >>> [RFC4861] and SLAAC to advertise the presence of the routers,
> >>> together with other IPv6 configuration information.
> >>>
> >>> SLAAC: Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4862].
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 5) <!--[rfced] As "are network-specific attributes" seems to directly 
> >>> describe
> >>> "NAT64 and the exact values" rather than their presence, may we remove 
> >>> "the
> >>> presence of" from this sentence?
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   Fundamentally, the presence of the NAT64 and the exact value of the
> >>>   prefix used for the translation are network-specific attributes.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   Fundamentally, the NAT64 and the exact value of the
> >>>   prefix used for the translation are network-specific attributes.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> How about this:
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>> Fundamentally, the NAT64 function and the exact value of the
> >>> prefix used for the translation are network-specific attributes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 6) <!--[rfced] FYI, we have formatted the following quoted text to appear
> >>> in <blockquote>. Please review and let us know of any objections.
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   Section 3 of [RFC7050] states: "The node SHALL cache the replies it
> >>>   receives during the Pref64::/n discovery procedure, and it SHOULD
> >>>   repeat the discovery process ten seconds before the TTL of the Well-
> >>>   Known Name's synthetic AAAA resource record expires."  As a result,
> >>>   once a PREF64 is discovered, it will be used until the TTL expired,
> >>>   or until the node disconnects from the network.
> >>>
> >>> Current:
> >>>   Section 3 of [RFC7050] states:
> >>>
> >>>   |  The node SHALL cache the replies it receives during the Pref64::/n
> >>>   |  discovery procedure, and it SHOULD repeat the discovery process
> >>>   |  ten seconds before the TTL of the Well-Known Name's synthetic AAAA
> >>>   |  resource record expires.
> >>>
> >>>   As a result, once a PREF64 is discovered, it will be used until the
> >>>   TTL expires or until the node disconnects from the network.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> Agreed.
> >>>
> >>> 7) <!--[rfced] As the sentence below reads awkwardly, may we rephrase it 
> >>> as follows? Additionally, may we clarify that the mechanisms are being 
> >>> used, not the RFCs?
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   Requiring nodes to implement two defense mechanisms when only one is
> >>>   necessary when [RFC8781] is used in place of [RFC7050] creates
> >>>   unnecessary risk.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   When the mechanism defined in [RFC8781] is used in place of the one 
> >>> defined in
> >>>   [RFC7050], nodes only need to implement one defense mechanism; 
> >>> requiring nodes
> >>>   to implement two defense mechanisms creates an unnecessary risk.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> This does read better.
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>> When the mechanism defined in [RFC8781] is used in place of the one 
> >>> defined in
> >>> [RFC7050], nodes only need to implement one defense mechanism; requiring 
> >>> nodes
> >>> to implement two defense mechanisms creates an unnecessary risk.
> >>>
> >>> 8) <!-- [rfced] The following reference is not cited in the text.  Please 
> >>> let
> >>> us know where it should be cited; otherwise, it will be deleted from the
> >>> references section.
> >>>
> >>>   [RFC6146]  Bagnulo, M., Matthews, P., and I. van Beijnum, "Stateful
> >>>              NAT64: Network Address and Protocol Translation from IPv6
> >>>              Clients to IPv4 Servers", RFC 6146, DOI 10.17487/RFC6146,
> >>>              April 2011, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6146>.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> This looks like it was added to our repo on 27-Aug-2024 by Jen. I only 
> >>> see the informative reference and not any call to it. Interestingly, I am 
> >>> unsure how that build worked. I believe we are ok to take it out unless 
> >>> Jen has a detail I am missing.
> >>>
> >>> 9) <!--[rfced] FYI - We have alphabetized the names listed in the 
> >>> Acknowledgments
> >>> section. We believe that was the intent as only two were out of order. 
> >>> Let us
> >>> know if you prefer the original order.
> >>> -->
> >>> Agreed.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 10) <!--[rfced] Throughout the text, "RA Option" and "RA option" are used
> >>> inconsistently. Please review these occurrences and let us know if/how 
> >>> they may
> >>> be made consistent.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> RFC 8781 uses "RA Option" so I think we are best to standardize on that.
> >>>
> >>> 11) <!--[rfced] There are a number of instances throughout the document 
> >>> where an RFC
> >>> citation is used as an adjective. To clarify that the content of an RFC 
> >>> is being
> >>> described, not the RFC document itself, may we rephrase these instances? 
> >>> An
> >>> example from Section 1 can be seen here:
> >>>
> >>> Original:
> >>>   However, subsequent methods have been developed to address
> >>>   [RFC7050] limitations.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps:
> >>>   However, subsequent methods have been developed to address
> >>>   the limitations of the mechanism described in [RFC7050].
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> Yes. this reads more fluidly to me.
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>> However, subsequent methods have been developed to address
> >>> the limitations of the mechanism described in [RFC7050].
> >>>
> >>> 12) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of the 
> >>> online
> >>> Style Guide 
> >>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
> >>> and let us know if any changes are needed.  Updates of this nature 
> >>> typically
> >>> result in more precise language, which is helpful for readers.
> >>>
> >>> Note that our script did not flag any words in particular, but this should
> >>> still be reviewed as a best practice.
> >>> -->
> >>>
> >>> Will do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> Alanna Paloma
> >>> RFC Production Center
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 22, 2025, at 3:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
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> >>> --------------------------------------
> >>> RFC9872 (draft-ietf-v6ops-prefer8781-07)
> >>>
> >>> Title            : Recommendations for Discovering IPv6 Prefix Used for 
> >>> IPv6 Address Synthesis
> >>> Author(s)        : N. Buraglio, T. Jensen, J. Linkova
> >>> WG Chair(s)      : XiPeng Xiao, Nick Buraglio
> >>>
> >>> Area Director(s) : Mohamed Boucadair, Mahesh Jethanandani
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