> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:02, Paul Hammant wrote:
> > >And this is probably the hardest part of it.
yup. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't try =)
> > > Since we are all
> individuls
> > >here doing things on a voluntary basis and have our very own
> preferences
> > >(babies) this we almost never happen. If Apache would run "commercial"
> > >procedure we clearly had less overlay between the projects and
> some guys
> > >from the IT architecture department will tell the other guys in the
> > >development department what they had to use for their apps. And the
> > >management clearly knows that human resources are the most
> costly factor
> > >in the IT departments! This is what Apache doesn't have to pay for and
> > >thus have to allow much more individuality for every one of us.
> >
> > True, but other teams could <b>decide</b> that Avalon is good enough to
> > be a foundation at some point. I think it all starts with Tomcat. If
> > we ported a simple HTTP server (resurrect PicoServer) to Avalon, then
> > the Tomcat team might like what they see and make plans themselves.
What I also don't see happening (or is there some mailing list I
don't know of) is regular communication between programmers on
different projects.
In my experience, doing things like this, on a voluntary basis,
first requires some community feel. If there is no-one who sees
Jakarta as a community place, there is no-one wo wants to put
all that extra effort in to make things work together.
> It will be a while before TC5 comes around (could be years off).
> Before we
> even approach them there are still things that needs to be done
> to phoenix to
> make it "worthy". A while back phoenix became "acceptable" for my
> uses (ie it
> does everything I need at this stage) and thus development slowed
> a little.
> It will eventually get to killer-app status I hope .. just takes time.
Hopefully, this will be before development of Tomcat 5 starts.
If it's not, well, it would be useful to talk to the tomcat
developer team about them helping out porting utility code from
tomcat to Phoenix, or them specifying what they would like
different in phoenix.
Just an example, but the point is clear: communication and team
spirit are a first requirment.
> > Voluntary basis is the key.
>
> agreed.
'course =)
grz,
- Leo
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