+1.
newbies in avalon/phoenix can really gain from this
and maybe leading from helloworld , we could have
helloworld2, helloworld3 ... samples to get more
closer to exposing more and more features of
avalon/phoenix.
I am truely a newbie as far as avalon goes &
 for me right now , getting to know what these
sub-projects address are in itself a  small task , and
if i can capture those grounds in bits and pieces , It
would be just perfect.
And then maybe i can ask more sensible
questions.(unlike this one ...:-))

Vinay.
--- Paul Hammant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm speaking to lots of Open Source people about
> their projects and 
> porting to Avalon/Phoenix.  In some cases they are
> keen on migration, in 
> others keen on dual mode.  In all cases they don't
> know where to start. 
>  Now HelloWorld is a simple example, but it's highly
> tied to the rest of 
> Cornerstone.  
> 
> I'd like to, if all are in agreement, have an even
> leaner demo that is 
> included in the phoenix project.  
> 
> It would :
> 
> 1) only be included in Phoenix's source distribution
> 2) also be a separate self contained source
> distibution
> 3) have a build target in the parent build script
> that makes the child 
> source distribution.
> 
> Imagine a dir in phoenix called "newbie-sample" that
> contains:
> 
> readme.txt
> build.bat
> build.sh
> build.xml (not phoenix's one)
> src/java/foo/Bar.java
> src/java/foo/Fred.java
> src/java/foo/Wilma.java
> src/javafoo/Bar.xinfo
> src/conf/sample-assembly.xml
> src/conf/sample-config.xml
> src/conf/sample-server.xml
> src/manifest/server.mf
> 
> Imaging invoking "build sample" in Phoenix's main
> build script that 
> makes a zip that includes the above plus:
> 
> lib\cornerstone.bar
> lib\cornerstone-compilation.jar
> lib\logkit.jar
> lib\avalon-framework.jar
> lib\avalon-excalibur-20010919.jar
> lib\avalon-scratchpad-20010919.jar
> lib\phoenix-client-20010922.jar
> 
> This would allow the zip
> (phoenix-app-for-newbies.zip) be unzipped and 
> newbie to start work making a SAR compatible server
> application.  Of 
> course the build.xml file would contain the bare
> minimum of build 
> targets as often people are new to Ant as well.  The
> newbie would have 
> to get Ant 1.4.1 and edit the build.bat file to set
> ANT_HOME if they 
> have not installed Ant.
> 
> Votes/Opinions please?
> 
> - PH
> 
> 
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