Isn't this more about communication.  One of the things the article 
talks about is "keep-it-simple-stupid".  One of the *really* nice 
things about the Avalon framework is that it is *really* simple.  
Ok, so keeping it simple also means we don't get into heavy weight
stuff at the framework level - but the feature list for a framework
(such as JNDI and JDBC etc.) are more than the Avalon framework, and 
more-than/less-that Excalibur.  My feeling is that to move from 
"something-to-watch" to "don't-live-without" we need a couple of 
additional ingredients:

  a) Phoenix with upgrade for 
     "stupid-user-like-me-doesn't-need-to-think" deployment
     model

  b) phoenix upgrade to beta release

  c) Excalibur components/service framework for easy JNDI
     and JDBC + full integration of these features as Phoenix
     core services (like logging) - its there and your don't 
     need to think about it (a.k.a. default Phoenix configuration).

  d) Marketing push that positions Phoenix as (a) the Avalon app 
     server, and (b) as the Avalon framework reference 
     implementation and .

Cheer, Steve.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Sutic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 March, 2002 10:34
> To: Avalon Developers List
> Subject: RE: Avalon in the press
> 
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> 
> > From: Paul Hammant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > >If anything, the article provides a checklist of what a 
> framework should
> > >do in 
> > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-09-2000/jw-0929-ejbframe-p2.html
> > >
> > Yup, interesting essential comp "JNDI Lookup"!
> 
> Yep. Will we ever get the essential component "Exception handling" into 
> Avalon? Let's all go to freshmeat.net and start at least 8 different
> ports of this component to Avalon, of which at least three must have an
> embedded MP3 player and Gnutella client and one require a kernel 
> recompile.
> Even if you are running Windows.
> 
> /LS
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