> From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> 
> Peter Royal wrote:
> > Avalon evolves. When it was mentioned that a tomcat 
> developer disliked 
> > avalon
> > because there are always code changes when upgrading. Two responses:
> > 
> >  1) Its a framework, frameworks evolve
> >  2) When you pick a version, an upgrade is not required. The Avalon 
> > project
> > produces very high quality code (from my experience)
> 
> Leo Sutic wrote:
> > We always strive for perfection, meaning that our record
> > of stability just plain *isn't*. But isn't there a place
> > for a giant sandbox type development of *architectures*,
> > from which other projects may take the best parts?
> 
> 
> can we please put a stop to comments like these, that state or imply
> avalon is not stable, or backwards-compatible? The parts of avalon
that
> are marked as stable are almost as stable as software can get. If you
> disagree with this, please show some concrete examples why this is not
> true. Otherwise, don't say it.

 + A4 -> A5 proposal would have changed just about everything about 
   how you write and interact with components. (Instability.)

Do not confuse backwards-compatibility and migration paths with 
stability. Backwards compatibility just means "jump later" as 
opposed to "jump now". Migration path = I'll show you how to jump.

> On the one hand I see people talking about better branding and
> marketing, and on the other hand I see (the same) people marking the
> product as unstable.

And these two things conflict in what way?

/LS


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