Leo Sutic wrote:
Leo and Leo and everyone else:
From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@;apache.org]
Leo Simons wrote:
It's all rather icky.+1
options to make it less icky:
- jakarta PMC votes on releases (not really a practical option)
- avalon gets a board-installed PMC which votes on releases
- destroy avalon (rather not)
This sounds like a rather good argument for an avalon PMC.
+1 from me, too. It would seem to be our only viable option except for pre-emptively countersuing Microsoft, Apache and our users. However: Let's not rush this. This is a very general problem for all of Apache. There should be some guidelines from Apache on what a project should do in order to be legally solid. I've run around on the apache.org website, but not found anything. Anyone?
Earlier today some interesting emails have been crossing the Incubator
and Jakarta PMCs in which the Avalon project is part of the subject
material.
I've attempted to put together my take on things (and keep
in mind that anything I say here is simply my impressions of the
comments made by different individuals on the respective PMCs).
I've already asked the guys on those list to push their opinions
down here where the action is.
On the reorg list, we basically learnt that there were issue concerning
accountability across Apache as far as the Board was concerned and in
that discussion, the role and structure of Jakarta PMC came under the
microscope. In parrallel a lot of good stuff surfaced about what
Apache is, its approach, policies, structure, and people.
Now that the noise has settled down, there is discussion within a
bunch of Jakarta projects concerning escalation. At the same time,
there are some opinions surfacing from some Jakarta PMC members
concerning their own assesment of problems that need to be addressed
into order to bring Jakarta in-line with Board requirements for
accountability.
One of these problems has been identified as Avalon due primarily to a
lack of oversight by a PMC member. Without oversight it clear can
the members of the Jakarta PMC cannot reasonably represent this
commmunity towards the board.
Sam Ruby posted a message earlier today (copied with Sam's
permission):
> My opinion is that Avalon with its various sub-subprojects,
> including excalibur with its sub-sub-subprojects requires a
> dedicated PMC for oversight.
Greg Stein posted a follow-up in which he recommeded a new Avalon
PMC chartered to rain-in everything in, sort it out, and basically
start from scratch. Greg also committed to posting his thoughts
on an Avalon PMC directly to this list. Costin Manolache posted
a message a few minutes ago supporting Avalon excalation and
asking the question "What can the Jakarta PMC do to help us".
Just for reference, I've cc'ed this message to Greg, the Jakarta
PMC and the Incubator PMC with the intent of shifting discussion
here.
Cheers, Steve.
/LS
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