On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:48, Leo Sutic wrote: > > regardless of the need of leadership, "what avalon should be" > > is defined in the project charter. > > Yes, but then there's the interpretation of that charter. > For example, Peter works under the assumption that > there will always be multiple containers, as we do not > know enough to create an �ber-container yet.
Actually we do know enough now - there is no technical reason that I have found (yet) that would limit this vision (except speed of invocation but Daves working on that!). Go Spice! And thats all thanks to MS! :) > As it is now, there's really no forum that can handle such > disputes Of course there is a forum. It is called the mailing list and if it can't be fixed there then there is nothing a PMC can do that is going to help. > - precisely, as you wrote long ago, we're so > into this "not voting on something we haven't written". It is called meritocracy and it is how Apache runs. > A PMC may provide leadership in being a forum where > overarching issues can be decided on. the committers still vote with their feet. A committee can decide anything it wants> If consensus is not reached then the decisions are pointless. And there is no need for a PMC to reach consensus because any set of adults should be able to do so if they so want. > Peter Donald wrote: > > yep. And the technical decisions get made by those who > > earn the privlidge to do so ;) > > Could you be more specific, Peter? For example, how > would one earn this privilige? sending patches for code and documentation that fits with the vision. Demonstrating a willingness and want to work on the code. Understanding the privlidges and obligations that go hand in hand. > In particular, who decides? the component developers. I believe the process will be fairly well documented for Apache Commons and I intend to propose that for adoption when the time comes. At the moment there are those of us who end up developing off Avalon because there is no way to protect yourself against hostile attacks. Avalons system assumes we are all adults who respect each others work. Since that system failed there needs to be a more formal system in place to limit the damage that can be done. The best way to do that is to partition access to those who merit it. -- Cheers, Peter Donald ------------------------------------------------------- To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. - Sun Tzu, 300 B.C. ------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:avalon-dev-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:avalon-dev-help@;jakarta.apache.org>
