Hmmmm. Curious I wasn't included. Include me and I would also like to be the 
chair.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:29, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Add me in there
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen McConnell [mailto:mcconnell@;apache.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:11 AM
> > To: Avalon Developers List
> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Avalon PMC Draft Resolution
> >
> > Leo Sutic wrote:
> > > Peter Donald wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > When this was discussed last time there was points that
> >
> > were raised
> >
> > > that need
> > >
> > > > to be addressed before any such proposal goes forward. It
> >
> > would be
> >
> > > unlikely
> > >
> > > > that these issues could be resolved in the timeframe proposed.
> > >
> > > Especially
> > >
> > > > given that some of the interested parties may not read their mail
> > >
> > > before the
> > >
> > > > vote is closed. As it is a major change I don't think it is
> > >
> > > appropriate to
> > >
> > > > try and rush through anything without everyones involvement.
> > > >
> > > > I expect to see at least half of our code migrate to
> >
> > Apache Commons.
> >
> > > Of the
> > >
> > > > remainder I expect to see a large proportion move to
> >
> > incubator (or
> >
> > > some to
> > >
> > > > Apache Commons sandbox if it exists and some to incubator).
> > >
> > > Hopefully this
> > >
> > > > will see a return to access based on merit and thus remove the
> > >
> > > source of
> > >
> > > > conflict by resticting access appropriately.
> > > >
> > > > At that stage it may be more appropriate to migrate to a
> >
> > top level
> >
> > > project.
> > >
> > > I disagree. Two reasons:
> > >
> > > 1) When deciding what to move to commons / incubator we must have a
> > >    clear picture of what Avalon should be. That requires
> >
> > some form of
> >
> > > leadership
> > >    and I believe a PMC will give us that. (By formalizing
> >
> > the decision
> >
> > > process and
> > >    making it impossible for the small non-communicating fiefdoms we
> > > have now
> > >    to exist.)
> > >
> > > 2) If we have to wait until code migration stops before
> >
> > setting up a
> >
> > > PMC it
> > >    will take forever. I say we get this PMC set up and
> >
> > start cleaning up
> >
> > >    Avalon.
> > >
> > > And, sign me up for that PMC list, Stephen.
> >
> > With pleasure!
> >
> > The proposed PMC member list now includes:
> >
> >  * Nicola Ken Barozzi
> >  * Stephen McConnell
> >  * Leo Sutic
> >
> > Cheers, Steve.
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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Cheers,

Peter Donald
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