Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

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 3) The containers that are in the works, as cool as they seem to be,
are still scratchpad stuff, and thus should be clearly put in a place
where it's clear to all. Current structure is really confusing, and
releases are a very important part of our system.

And personally I'm still wondering if we really need different
implementations
with different features. But this is another topic, we should discuss
when it is time.
Actually, I think it's time, and as for the topic, I've made a new one ;-)

It can be that we will eventually come to a single design, and in fact Merlin and Fortress developers have worked well on this. It seems to be doable, and probably it hasn't been so near.

But it has to be agreed on by everyone, and everyone has to work on that codebase.

Phoenix is released, proved and really stable. Think that someone has even gotten James working on a C# based JVM (ok, technically it doesn't mean much but it's amusing that he tried it on James).
Merlin and Fortress are new promising designs, that actually have been collaborating and partially converging.

Technically it seems sensible that there be one framework and more possible implementations. Community-wise, I'm not so sure.
Think for example about a Cocoon framework and multiple implementations. It's even hard to immagine.

I still don't see major needs of having different implementations. Maybe different running environments, different profiles, but one implementation, as Cocoon has Serlet, CLI, etc running modes.

But I also don't have a solution at hand; if we cannot come to a single implementation, probably it's because we still don't know how to do it. In this case, I'm not sure we should even release an implementation (not talking about Phoenix).

Comments?

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