My system clock is causing me trouble. I am re-posting with the correct time. Sorry about that.
Cheers, Vincent On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 13:11, Vincent Tence wrote: > Hi all, > > Following is the humble opinion of an Avalon fan who has been > using the framework, ECM, logkit and many components in commercial > applications for 1+ year. > > It seems rather strange - and for sure it worries me as a user - to see > somebody who has contributed so much to the Avalon project as a whole being > suspended this way. > > I am not a statistics expert, but I guess Pete's name is on more than 50% of > the code I use. I do know that all committers - and users who are supplying > patches - are putting great efforts into this project, but I feel like > without Pete's contribution, it not quite the same. So what should I expect > as a user? Is the priority still to get Avalon to the higher levels? I don't > want to believe that this codebase I have been relying on (and hopefully > will continue to) will loose its greatest contributors and with them, its > momemtum. Some explanations to the user base would be welcome. > > I have always been very impressed by the quality of the individuals working > on Avalon and the quality of the work they produced. This is definitely a > great asset for the project. I also do believe that exploring different paths and > confronting ideas is the way to go. I hope people are participating to > this project to have fun and because they believe Avalon is great. But what I have > seen on the list for several weeks is rather scary and don't encourage people to get >involved, > which is a shame. Even worse if it goes to the point where people get kicked out ... > > I can also imagine the effect it has on potential new users. As somebody pointed out >recently, > the web site still indicates that some refactoring is taking place, so you end up >looking at > the mailing list and find out that it's not code but team refactoring happening :-( > This is not the kind of statibility users will look for. > > So please let Peter be in again and all keep up with the good work. > > Cheers, > Vincent > > On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 19:54, Paul Hammant wrote: > > Following on from Peter's posting and Sam Ruby's fair reply, I thought > > I'd go public too... > > > > Peter, > > > > My heart bleeds for you dude. I have been with this project for years, > > I know what you have put in. You have always been direct/assertive with > > what you felt to be true, and many people understood that to be > > aggression, which is wrong. Many of us including me are very keen for > > your return. Even when the worst things were said about you, you > > maintained a level tone. You held all in high-esteem, and never (well > > 99.99% of the time) resorted to low blows or insults. Your character > > and dedication is fantastic, we all miss you here at Avalon. That's all > > of us... > > > > With the wisdom of the power's that be, a favourable wind, and some > > positive advocacy from us & those you have helped over the years when > > there was no need for you to get involved (and the rest of us were too > > tired), you will hopefully be back /inside/ of the period allotted. > > Avalon and Apache is simply not complete without you. > > > > Can all those that use Peter's works in open source and want his swift > > return to the projects he loves please reply to this email with the > > following section modified as appropriate: > > > > *--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1) Power's that be: Please let me appeal on Peter's behalf > > and ask if you may see fit to look past this current episode. > > 2) I use Peter's projects in my open source / proprietary / > > commercial applications. > > 3) I have been helped by Peter in the past. I found his help very useful. > > 4) Please let Peter return to his projects at Apache, he's not so bad. > > *---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Please also spread the word, and get as many people as possible to reply > > to this - Committers, Users, Visitors, Luminaries... > > > > We'll also work on a http://jakarta.apache.org/site/peter.html page > > right? A guide to what makes the man tick. This suggestion may be > > cryptic to many ;-) > > > > - Paul > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Vincent Tence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
