> My question was: why can't we agree on working toward *ONE*
> implementation of the framework that fits everybody's needs
This is a fair and valid question. The answers ought to be technical and
pragmatic. I hardly think that anyone wants to disagree with that
statement. So lets make sure that replies are clearly technical. Also, he
has a point regarding community.
> I'm not saying it's easy, I'm saying that it's the only way I see we can
> resume the health of this community.
His proposal for community building is to put everyone together to build a
single container. Because I don't believe that a single container
implementation covers all requirements, and certainly not in the near to
mid-term, my modification is that there be a single community, which is
responsible for several containers. Those containers must exist for real
reasons, along the same lines as the various J2ME, J2SE and J2EE
specifications. Does that meet with approval as a reasonable approach?
Nicola and Berin both acknowledge that convergence will take time.
Understandable. And I see that there are differences of opinion between the
Phoenix and Fortress/Merlin groups on how to do certain things. But someone
please explain to me why it is not reasonable to do what code sharing CAN be
done, and look at how to DECOUPLE THE DIFFERENCES, to maximize common code
and make clear where the differences exist, and why. Isn't this a
reasonable approach to getting there?
Consider my own examples of J2ME, J2SE and J2EE. The reference
implementations are not all written from scratch. There is unique code
(including cool things specific to a particular specification), and there is
common code. I think that this is a proven and reasonable model for
resolving divergent needs, sharing common code, and freedom to experiment.
It addresses every technical issue that I recall being raised, and does so
within a unified community.
Comments, please? Berin? Leo? Nicola? Paul? Peter(s)? Stefano?
Stephen? Anyone else with a container (or a view) whom I have neglected to
mention in my alphabetized list?
--- Noel
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