RE: [Axapta-Knowledge-Village] Load balancing the AOS

Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:42:28 -0800

Hi Per,
 
Can you please tell me where you got the information about the load balancing algorithm where users are assigned in batches of 20 to an AOS cluster?
 
From countless experiments I have always seen the AOS with the lowest number at all times being assigned the next user who log on to the system. Am I understaning you right or do I get you wrong?
 
If this applies to a specific version and service pack please let me know. Thanks.
 
Varden Morris
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WellPoint Systems Inc.
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Per Jakobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I just want to add my two cents.

It is correct that Axapta can not use more than two processers in one
machine. and therefore clustering (load balancing would be better), however
Axapta load balancing is based upon a simple algorithm that assigns users in
batches of 20 to an AOS in a cluster.

About fault tolerance then if one AOS breaks down, users connected to that
AOS would have to manually reconnect to the cluster (hence the other AOS).

And btw I have heard that Axapta performs better on AMD Athlon 64
processors.

Also it will be interesting on what will happen when dual core processors
hit the server market, again I think with AMD's optimized dual core
technology and optimized memory sharing between the cores, that AMD will
outperform intel running Axapta.

Per




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> I would just like to add a few things here so that we might be all clear
>on this subject as we help each other.
>
> From my experience one slow AOS or Database server on the same network
>will slow down the entire system. This means that even if the database
>server meets and exceeds the required specifications and the AOS does not
>quite meet the specifications the whole system will operate at the same
>slow speed. The same goes for two AOS where one is better than the other,
>and even for slow client machines on the network that are actively using
>the Axapta Application. It is like a highway, with many lanes to
>accommodate heavy traffic (High Bandwidth), that narrows down to fewer
>lanes at a particular section (High Latency). This will result in slow
>moving traffic (for the entire highway) until the entire highway is
>designed to meet the demand of the traffic.
>
> One fact about AOS from the Microsoft Official Training Material is as
>quoted: “Testing has shown than an AOS does not use more than 2 CPUs in the
>same computer as additional CPUs in separate servers. Due to the cost of
>Quad or larger CPU servers, adding servers is more cost effective.” This is
>self explanatory.
>
> One important reason for using more than one AOS server is to provide
>fault tolerance that is not provided by two AOS services running on one
>server. If one server fails you should at least have another one to keep
>the application going until the other one is fixed. Hope this helps in some
>way.
>
> Varden Morris
> Senior Developer
> WellPoint Systems Inc.
>Suite 2000, 500 - 4th Ave SW
>Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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>Brandon George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Malcolm,
>
> Here is the post on the blog about this email:
>http://dynamics-ax.blogspot.com/2005/12/aos-load-balancing-when.html
>
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> These are great tips! Can I have your permission to post these on my
>blog, along with your name, to give you credit?
>
> -Brandon
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> Hi Brandon
>
> Well, I guess you'd look at the following...
>
> 1. Is my AOS processor bound and not able to take additional processors?
> 2. Is my AOS memory bound and not able to take additional memory?
> 3. Is my AOS network bound and not able to take another network card?
> 4. Is my AOS disk bound (unlikely on an AOS) and disk performance not
>able to be improved?
>
> If the answer to any of the above is "yes" and your AOS machine is not
>providing ant other service that could be relocated to another server then
>you need to ask.
>
> Is it more cost effective to add a new AOS (and cluster the two) or
>replace my existing AOS with a better specified machine that will not
>suffer the same resource deficiency? Note that, if your server is not
>memory bound but your Ax32Serv process has hit its 2GB memory limit then
>you are effectively memory bound. If your server has more than 4Gb RAM
>(i.e. enough for 2 x 2Gb plus sufficient for the operating system to
>continue to function) and the processor capacity to handle the extra load
>then you could consider adding an extra AOS instance on the same machine
>and clustering the two instances.
>
> You might also consider that adding a newer AOS might result in a
>slightly imbalanced cluster. AFAIK The AOS load balancing picks the AOS
>with the least number of users on it. So, if you have two machines and one
>is newer (and therefore likely to be higher specified) its possible that
>users one the newer AOS will receive a better user experience than those on
>the older machine. Its not a particularly big problem but might complicate
>things for you as your needs expand again and the performance starts to dip
>for some users but not others (i.e. "why the hell is user A complaining
>when user B is not and why the hell did user B complain yesterday when user
>A did not").
>
> Good luck
>
> Malcolm Burtt
>Touchstone
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>Subject: [Axapta-Knowledge-Village] Load balancing the AOS
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> Hello All,
>
> In light of my current progress to improve performance of Axapta, I am
>working through some idea's. I was wondering, what do you base load
>balancing for the AOS on? To explain further, what amount of users, or
>usage, etc. does one look at to say "You know what we need... we need to
>add another AOS and do load balancing!"
>
> I am trying to find this out, but can't find much documentation on this.
>I am also really unsure of how to Google this topic, because it does not
>pull up much help.
>
> Anyway, any advice on this topic would be great. Has anyone ever went
>from a single AOS to two AOS's load balanced?
>
> thanks,
> Brandon
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