Hi Glen, +1 to the spirit of this message, but with a caveat. I want to be sure that we don't get into the Axis1 rut in terms of releases; we no longer have the luxury of waiting an year to release this beast. By that time the need for a common WS-* stack would be gone because everyone would've gone their own ways. (Witness the recent JBoss stuff and at least 4 other new stack efforts.)
I know you agree with that. :-). I too will commit to putting time to go thru the code and fix issues and get it to be something we can all be proud of. Sanjiva. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005 > Hi folks! > > I'm not going to +1 a release on the 11th... yet. > > Here's what I think needs to happen at a *minimum* before cutting a release: > > 1) Some documentation needs to be written (I know you guys are working > on this as we speak :)) and edited/checked over by at least two or three > folks aside from the author(s). > > 2) All the code needs cleanup (such as by an IDE's "format code" > feature) for consistent style/spacing/etc. > > 3) All spelling/capitalization errors in the code must be fixed. > > 4) The existing code needs some more review by the team, and in > particular more review from folks outside of LSF (no offense, guys - > this isn't meant to make any comment on the code quality, it's just that > it's always good to make sure multiple viewpoints are represented) - > Alek, Sam, Mark, etc.... I'm very concerned that, although we know this > is "only a milestone release of a prototype" that some of the APIs and > patterns which we haven't necessarily agreed upon as yet are going to > start to gel and become harder to change. I also suspect we can trim > some of the stuff that's there for an initial release. > > So the net of this is that I'm not comfortable releasing things in their > current form, but that will hopefully change in the next two weeks. > Unfortunately, I'm going to be in Raleigh from Mon-Fri at meetings where > I won't have network access (damn you, IBM!), but I pledge to put some > time into this in the evenings and next week. > > I don't mean to be any kind of a party-pooper here - please understand > all these comments are in the interest of producing a seriously > high-quality piece of engineering, both from a design perspective and in > terms of the actual artifacts we produce as a team. Even for an early > access "release", I think it's critical that we are all on the same page > with respect to WHAT we're releasing, WHY we're doing so, and that we > all feel proud that what's there (even if limited functionally) is > well-architected, well-coded, and solid. If we don't have all those > things verified, I don't think it's worth doing a release at all yet. > > OK, whaddya think, team? A reasonable set of requests? > > Thanks, > --Glen > > > Farhaan Mohideen wrote: > > The release should be on the 11th as the 12th is a Saturday. My mistake > > > > Regards > > Farhaan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Deepal Jayasinghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 29 January 2005 00:23 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005 > > > > +1 , for M1 at Feb 12th > > > > > > Deepal > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Srinath Perera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005 > > > > > > > >>+1, for M1 at the Feb 12 > >> > >> > >>On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:20 +0600, Sanjiva Weerawarana > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>>+1 for going ahead with an M1 on Feb. 12th. > >>> > >>>Sanjiva. > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Farhaan Mohideen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: <[email protected]> > >>>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:25 PM > >>> > >>>Subject: RE: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005 > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi All > >>>> > >>>>Before Sri Lanka was affected by the tsunami we were well on course > > > > for a > > > >>>>milestone release in the first week of January with only the > > > > documentation > > > >>>>outstanding. I think during that period Alek, Dims and Glen said that > > > > they > > > >>>>would have a look at the code out under prototype 1. > >>>> > >>>>Now the team is back on track with Axis after working on the various > >>> > >>>Sahana > >>> > >>>>applications. We would like to proceed with the milestone release and > >>> > >>>would > >>> > >>>>appreciate some feedback from everyone whose been contributing to the > >>>>project. How does the 12th of Feb sound ? Since our first meeting in > >>> > >>>August, > >>> > >>>>counting the days it would show that we have spent almost 5 months to > > > > get > > > >>>>this far. Without holding back further I suggest we push forward and > > > > get > > > >>>>something out. > >>>> > >>>>Srinath you were voted in as the Release Manager, could you send a > > > > draft > > > >>>of > >>> > >>>>the release plan so that all can comment. > >>>> > >>>>Farhaan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Ajith Ranabahu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>Sent: 27 January 2005 10:48 > >>>>To: Axis developer list > >>>>Subject: [Axis2] Chat log on 27-01-2005 > >>>> > >>>>The topic of todays chat was the upcoming M1. There were some concerns > >>>>about the site as well. > >>>> > >>>>[08:58] *** Apache Axis - SOAP WSDL WSDD > >>>>[08:59] *** Jaliya joined #apache-axis > >>>>[08:59] *** Chinthaka_ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[08:59] *** Chinthaka left #apache-axis : > >>>>[09:02] *** Deepal joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:03]<Ajith> Hi all > >>>>[09:04]<Jaliya> Hi All > >>>>[09:04]<Deepal> Hi all > >>>>[09:05] *** farhaan joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:05]<farhaan> Hi All > >>>>[09:07] *** farhaan sets topic for #apache-axis : Apache Axis - > >>>>Milestone Release > >>>>[09:08]<Chinthaka_> hi all > >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> Hey where are all the others > >>>>[09:09]<Ajith> ? > >>>>[09:10]<farhaan> is this too early/late to start ? > >>>>[09:10]<Chinthaka_> tsunami for all others ;) > >>>>[09:10]<Jaliya> It is already 9.10 am here > >>>>[09:12] *** lilantha joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:14]<Chinthaka_> well shall we start talking about M1 ? > >>>>[09:14]<Deepal> good idea > >>>>[09:15]<Chinthaka_> anyway, any plans for the date of release ? > >>>>[09:16] *** chathura joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> I think its some where around 12 or 15 > >>>>[09:16]<Chinthaka_> next month > >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> yes we should be okay with 12th Feb > >>>>[09:17]<farhaan> Let's discuss what is outstanding for the release > >>>>[09:17]<Ajith> BTW guys what has happend to glen and all ? > >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> We have completed coding stuff for M1 > >>>>[09:18]<farhaan> as far as i know before the tsunami we were in very > >>>>good shape where the functionality was concerned and it was the > >>>>documentation that was missing > >>>>[09:18]<Deepal> and only documentation has to be done > >>>>[09:18]<Jaliya> and examples > >>>>[09:19]<Jaliya> I mean samples + docs > >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> well I myself and Chathura started with samples > >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> yep > >>>>[09:19]<farhaan> so can we first get concurrence from all on the > >>>>features for M1 as a reminder atleast > >>>>[09:19]<Chinthaka_> and the user's guide > >>>>[09:19]<Deepal> and I stared archi guide > >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> myswlf and srinath did some perf tests > >>>>[09:22]<Ajith> and fixed some bugs as well > >>>>[09:22]<Chinthaka_> great > >>>>[09:23] *** Deepal quit FreeNode : Read error: 54 (Connection reset > > > > by > > > >>>>peer) > >>>>[09:24] *** Chinthaka__ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> hello > >>>>[09:24] *** Jaliya_ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:24]<Chinthaka__> helllooooooooooooo > >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> yeah > >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> oki, i was disconnected > >>>>[09:25]<dims> Ajith: do we have some DOM wrapper stuff already? > >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> nop > >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> nope > >>>>[09:25]<Chinthaka__> I don't think its required now > >>>>[09:25]<Ajith> not yet > >>>>[09:26]<dims> ok. just curious. > >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> I started that sometime back > >>>>[09:26]<Chinthaka__> but stopped for the time being > >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> dims : god thing that you are here > >>>>[09:26]<Ajith> :) > >>>>[09:26]<dims> may not be here for long :( > >>>>[09:27]<dims> i got the omdiagrams from ashu... > >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> ok > >>>>[09:27]<Chinthaka__> I saw the mails > >>>>[09:27] *** chathurah joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:28]<Chinthaka__> well Dims, I want them to put in some OM docs > >>>>[09:28]<dims> hang on > >>>>[09:28] *** Deepal joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:29] *** Chinthaka___ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:29] *** Chinthaka joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:30]<Chinthaka___> helllo we have some connection problems here > >>>>[09:30] *** Jaliya__ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:30]<Deepal> ADSL ? > >>>>[09:31]<Chinthaka___> yeah > >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> well, can all of you please review the site > >>>>[09:32] *** Chinthaka_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 60 (Operation > > > > timed > > > >>>out) > >>> > >>>>[09:32] *** Jaliya quit FreeNode : Operation timed out > >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> and lets put the documents also there > >>>>[09:32]<Chinthaka___> so that we have a site by the time we release M1 > >>>>[09:33] *** chathura_ joined #apache-axis > >>>>[09:33]<Ajith> hey you guys having difficulty with the connection ? > >>>>[09:33]<Jaliya__> may be the software > >>>>[09:33]<chathura_> not the conection i suppose > >>>>[09:36]<farhaan> inorder to have the site up and running shouldn't the > >>>>project be allocated some space on the server ? > >>>>[09:36]<Chinthaka> yes, I think > >>>>[09:37]<Chinthaka> well, Dims what do u think abt this ? > >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I think we are getting the space from the CVS > >>>>[09:37]<Jaliya__> I mean under ws-site > >>>>[09:39]<Chinthaka> the site is being currently hosted in my poor > >>>>apache account :( > >>>>[09:40]<dims> http://ws.apache.org/~dims/axis2/ > >>>>[09:41]<Chinthaka___> thankx dims > >>>>[09:41]<dims> Let's keep the site off-line till we release m1. we can > >>>>announce the site url with the m1 announcement. > >>>>[09:41]<farhaan> is that a permanent location for the axis2 site ? > >>>>[09:41]<dims> it's the same apache server instance service both :) > >>>>[09:42]<Chinthaka___> farhaan, it has the om images I requested > >>>>[09:42]<dims> farhaan: no these are the images > >>>>[09:42]<dims> Chinthaka: can you please make a copy before i lose it > > > > again > > > >>>>:) > >>>>[09:42] *** chathura quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to > > > > host) > > > >>>>[09:43]<Chinthaka___> already done :) > >>>>[09:44]<Chinthaka___> so dims, then lets keep the axis 2 site, where > >>>>it is now and host it when we release M1 > >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> so shall we try to make those docs available by > >>>>next week ? > >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> and till then others can review > >>>>[09:45]<Chinthaka___> DIms, what are the docs we require ? > >>>>[09:46]<Chinthaka___> we are preparing archi guide and user's guide > >>>>which includes installation guide and samples > >>>>[09:47] *** Chinthaka__ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to > >>> > >>>host) > >>> > >>>>[09:48] *** Jaliya_ quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to > > > > host) > > > >>>>[09:48]<farhaan> dims:so i guess you would allocate some space for the > >>>>site atleast before the 10th , if we are to make the release on the > >>>>12th > >>>>[09:48]<dims> Chintaka: sounds good. > >>>>[09:48]<dims> farhaan: consider it already allocated :) > >>>>[09:48] *** chathurah quit FreeNode : Read error: 113 (No route to > > > > host) > > > >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> dims: okay :) we are well on course then > >>>>[09:49]<farhaan> by the way > >>>>[09:50]<farhaan> do you foresee any problems with a M1 release on the > >>> > >>>12th, > >>> > >>>>[09:52]<dims> am yet to review code etc... > >>>>[09:52]<dims> need a few days (maybe weekend) > >>>>[09:52]<dims> do we know who's our competition? > >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sistinet? > >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> ActiveSOAP > >>>>[09:54]<Jaliya__> sorry, systinet? > >>>>[09:54]<Chinthaka> and Sanjiva was referring to some more > >>>>[09:55] *** Deepal quit FreeNode : "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, > >>>>Easier. http://miranda-im.org"; > >>>>[10:01]<farhaan> sanjiva was very particular on getting people like > >>>>loghan (i think that was the name) who is implementing his own engine > >>>>interested in this and hence the need to produce something fast > >>>>[10:02] *** Chinthaka___ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla > >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]" > >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> seems like time is up > >>>>[10:03]<Chinthaka> can some one please post the log > >>>>[10:04]<Chinthaka> as I don't have the whole thing > >>>>[10:04]<Jaliya__> Bye All > >>>>[10:04] *** Jaliya__ quit FreeNode : "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla > >>>>rv:1.7.5/20041107]" > >>>>[10:06]<farhaan> I know this was not too productive, but let's discuss > >>>>the M1 stuff in detail over the mailing list, bye now > >>>>[10:06] *** farhaan left #apache-axis : > >>>>[10:08]<chathura_> can somone post the chat(ppl at sliit havent got > >>>>the complete chat) > >>>>[10:10] *** lilantha left #apache-axis : > >>>>[10:11] *** chathura_ left #apache-axis : > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Ajith Ranabahu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > >
