On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 18:27, Mark Curtis <merkin...@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Make it configurable" is not the answer to a (poor?) design.
Configurability is about letting the user adapt the working environment to his/her particular needs. > Configurability can be a nightmare, you need to not only make sure that > module A works with module B, but that module A (configured in X, Y, or Z > behavior) works with module B (configured in X, Y, or Z behavior). I'm not sure about what modules do you have in mind. What I am thinking about is to be able to choose things like : - global menu enabled or not - global menu autohiding or not - control the position of every item of the launcher - "ubuntu" button opens either the dash or a classic menu - enable/disable various lenses - display Trash or not - display Workspaces inside the launcher , or not . Or , display it alone in the right bottom corner , or in the middle of the screen whatever. - etc, etc, etc > Even if everything were configurable, there would need to be a sensible > default, and we'd be right back at this discussion anyway. A "delayed" discussion would have better results. When people have the chance to try various configurations they can advocate a specific default setting based on live experience, not on static "mockups". >> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:23:36 +0300 >> From: syra...@gmail.com >> To: niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com >> CC: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net >> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Application Menus in Unity >> >> Hello guys, >> >> The essential problem of the global menu is that its behavior is >> fixed, unchangeable, locked and non-configurable. This is the first >> needed step , before discussing anything about changing the default >> settings. >> >> Right now the users have only two options : like it or dislike it. >> There is no possibility to disable the autohide feature. And it's not >> possible to disable the global menu (uninstalling the package, or >> editing the bashrc, are not acceptable ways to disable). >> >> Having such config options would greatly decrease the amount of >> discussions on this topic : it's easier to be happy with some >> default settings if it's possible to tweak them ... >> >> Just for comparision : i haven't noticed any discussions on ayatana >> about changing the default applications in the launcher. Why ? >> Simply because it's possible to remove the unused icons >> (ex.LibreOffice ) and add others. So there are no people irritated >> by the default selection ; hence no vivid discussions ... >> >> >> I am not sure why Unity was delivered in 11.04 without a minimal set >> of config options regarding the "global menu". So I can only guess : >> it is intentional_by_design. This is worrying if true ... >> >> >> -- >> Adrian M >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 19:15, Niklas Rosenqvist >> <niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi Tony, thanks for your contribution! This was a very good example on >> > why >> > it should always be visible! You can find many more arguments for why we >> > should always have the menu visible in the "Global menu in Oneiric >> > Ocelot >> > (11.10)" thread. >> > 2011/5/31 Tony Pursell <a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk> >> >> >> >> Hi All >> >> >> >> Something happened to me just recently that makes me think it is not a >> >> good thing to remove application menus from view. >> >> >> >> Currently, I only see application menus when I hover over the panel (or >> >> hit F10). >> >> >> >> Recently, I was trying to enable the printer attached to my desktop PC >> >> and in the Printing dialogue's Properties, for my printer, under >> >> Policies, it told me 'Not published - see server settings'. I had no >> >> idea what 'server' it referred to and I had to resort to the user's >> >> mailing list for help. >> >> >> >> There is, of course, a Server menu in the application menu, but with >> >> the >> >> application menu out of view, I had no idea it was there. >> >> >> >> So the point I'm making is, that without then application menu visible, >> >> essential functionality may be hidden from the user. Any arrangement >> >> that requires the user to take action to reveal the application menu >> >> can >> >> mean that a user, particularly the less experienced user, may lose out >> >> on full enjoyment of the programs functions. >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> >> Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net >> >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > -- Adrian M _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp