> and who will do the explanation ? you ?>> will you be the one holding the > hand of every new non technical user ?
Yes, i think that's what he's suggesting. I think you missed the entire point of Jo-Erland's message. He's saying with the current design, you won't need to hold their hand for long. It's not hard understand the concepts presented, so even non-technical users will grasp it fairly quickly. Once they know, they don't need to be taught again. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:12, Omar B. <estela...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>It takes about ten seconds to explain that all kinds of messages is >> collected in the message menu and that the icon changes color when there is >> a change in status. Once you know this, the system is much easier, more >> efficient and comfortable to use than if you would have ten different icons >> acting in different ways, like we had before. > > and who will do the explanation ? you ? > > will you be the one holding the hand of every new non technical user ? > > will you tell them where their application is hidden ? > > I dont like to get into arguments and i think mm does help with the clutter, > but you frequently like to counter-argument everything saying things are > Fine how they are and new users are the ones that are wrong because they > havent rtfm yet, but what are you doing to actually help these people ? > > > ________________________________ > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:27:31 +0100 > From: joerlend.schins...@gmail.com > To: ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] Notifications in unity > > Den 16. nov. 2011 18:38, skrev Omar B.: > > you are a geek am sure you figure it out in 10 seconds, but i dont think > you've actually seen new non technical users trying to use their > applications and then getting hidden in that menu: > > https://github.com/emesene/emesene/issues/829 > > So your argument is that Ubuntu users are incapable of learning and > understanding that the symbol for IM is now an envelope instead of a green > dot? > > And I actually do know a little bit about new users since I've spent about > fifteen years helping and teaching people how to use different types of > technologies. I've worked with elderly, mentally challenged and other groups > of people with little experience with computers. I do this, not only because > I like sharing the knowledge I've attained by being a geek, but because I > like to understand what the difficulties are. Once you understand how things > work, you can't not understand it. > > The problem when people have an agenda, is that they tend to look for > evidence to support their views, disregard those that doesn't and last but > not least, project their own opinions onto the people they seek to > understand. This is why we use the double blind tests, for instance. For > instance, if you say "Do you think it's intuitive to use the email symbol to > symbolise other things than email?", most people will say no. If you ask > "Does it make sense to use an envelope to symbolise a message", then the > answer might be slightly different. > > The bug report you're posting, is completely irrelevant. That is about > Emesene not understanding that it's already running, which obviously it > should. But what is it really you're proposing? Should there be a constant > notification bubble whenever an app is running? Because that's what this > thread is about, not the symbol for applications running in the background. > > It takes about ten seconds to explain that all kinds of messages is > collected in the message menu and that the icon changes color when there is > a change in status. Once you know this, the system is much easier, more > efficient and comfortable to use than if you would have ten different icons > acting in different ways, like we had before. > > Jo-Erlend Schinstad > > _______________________________________________ Mailing list: > https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- Ian Santopietro Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended" Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA): http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234 _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp