Dear all, I'm sorry I forgot to mention that the record I'm looking for is the one of José Ferreira Barcellos as shown on the file attached.
Thanks, Roberto 2015-11-18 8:36 GMT-02:00 Roberto Barcellos <robertobarcel...@gmail.com>: > Dear all, > > Could anyone who have access to ancestry.com send me the file that can > be found on the link below? > > > http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gss=sfs28_ms_f-2_s&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsfn=Daria&gsln=Ferreira%20Barcellos&msfng=jos%C3%A9&msfns=ferreira%20barcellos&msmng=Jesuina&msmns=Das%20Merc%C3%AAdes&cp=0&catbucket=r&uidh=000 > > Thanks, > Roberto > > 2015-11-05 17:00 GMT-02:00 linda <menesesli...@gmail.com>: > >> Hi Roberto, >> >> I think it is very likely that the baptismal record that Aaron found >> (wow!) is the one for your grandfather. The other evidence is good, even >> if the date on the passport register is off. The date is only off by a bit >> over a year. The connection with Biscoitos is good, and the baptism occurs >> about four years after the date we have for the parents' marriage. If you >> find that there are more family connections to Biscoitos, that will >> strengthen the case for the record belong to your Jose. >> >> I checked to see if there were any other Vincente Ferreiras married to >> Maria Jose/Josefas in the Terceira Marriage Index, and I only found two in >> the mid 1800's. One couple was married in Conceicao in 1869 and the other, >> in Villa Nova in 1813. So, there are no other apparent candidates. >> >> With more pieces of evidence, the balance could change, but it seems a >> good record to go forward with. You can check the Biscoitos baptismal >> records backwards and forwards from Jose's record to see you can find >> siblings. Often the parents names in records for other children will be >> recorded differently (more information or less) depending on the individual >> priest writing the record. >> >> If you don't find a record in the year you expect it to be, it's always a >> good idea to widen your search to a few years before and after. The ages >> reported in the records are often very accurate, but not always-- >> especially, in my experience, the ages reported on the obitos. >> >> The Terceira Marriage Index is a very valuable resource. Here's a link >> provided by Cheri (thanks again Cheri!! :) in another thread: >> >> >> http://www.bparah.azores.gov.pt/pdfs/bparah-indices-casamentos_da_Ilha_Terceira.pdf >> >> >> >> Good luck Roberto! >> >> Linda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:17:32 PM UTC-8, Roberto Barcellos >> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks again Linda. Can we confirm that Jose was born in Biscoitos? >>> >>> Roberto >>> >>> 2015-11-04 1:59 GMT-02:00 linda <menese...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Hi Roberto, >>>> >>>> It's very frustrating not to find a record, I know. I wish you much >>>> success in your search. >>>> >>>> I hope that others on the forum who are more experienced than I will >>>> correct me if I'm making an error (it happens... alot). I understand that >>>> at the beginning of the 20th century and earlier in the Azores, >>>> "proprietario" described a landowner. Land was worked under a more or less >>>> medieval tenant farmer system. Social mobility was very limited. On the >>>> parish records, you can see men described as campones, trabalhadors, >>>> lavradors, and proprietarios. I'm not sure where the lines between the >>>> categories were drawn, but I imagine they knew very well. >>>> >>>> For the Passportes, I would guess that the information was >>>> self-reported by the applicants. I make many guesses ;^) >>>> >>>> Roberto, much, much luck! I'll keep an eye out for the names of your >>>> people as I go through the records for my own, >>>> >>>> best wishes, >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 9:15:50 AM UTC-8, Roberto Barcellos >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Linda, >>>>> >>>>> I didn't find his baptismal record in Biscoitos. I'll try to find in >>>>> São Bartolomeu dos Regatos, the city that his parents got married. I think >>>>> that he were going to Brazil to never come back, because the ticket was >>>>> very expensive on that time and I noticed from historical records that the >>>>> Brazilian Government offered to pay the tickets for portuguese imigrants. >>>>> >>>>> For me proprietario says that people own their business in Terceira. I >>>>> think that it was difficult for the government of Terceira to know who >>>>> were >>>>> proprietario or trabalhador in another country. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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