So does number 5 mean one cannot be a priest and be a sponsor? Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, looking at what George has supplied us in another post here is what the > Code of Canon Law 1917 stated on the subject of Sponsors for Baptism and > Confirmation: > > BAPTISM > 609. In order that one may licitly act as sponsor, he must: > 1. be fourteen years of age, unless for a just reason the minister admits > younger ones; > 2. he must not be under excommunication for a notorious crime, nor excluded > from legal actions, nor suffer from infamy of law, even though no sentence > was pronounced against him in the ecclesiastical court, nor must he be under > an interdict, or otherwise a public criminal, or disgraced by infamy of fact; > 3. he must know the rudiments of the faith; > 4. he must not be a novice or professed member in any religious organization, > unless there is no other to act as sponsor and permission is granted by at > least the local superior; > 5. he must not be in sacred orders, unless he has the express permission of > his own Ordinary to act as sponsor. (Canon 766.) > > 610. In doubtful cases as to whether one can validly or licitly be admitted > as sponsor, the pastor should, if time permits, consult the Ordinary. (Canon > 767.) > > > CONFIRMATION > CHAPTER IV. The Sponsors. > 636. By a most ancient custom the Church requires a sponsor at Confirmation, > if one can be had. (Canon 793.) > > 637. The sponsor should not stand for more than two, except the minister for > a just reason allow him to stand for more. No candidate for Confirmation > should have more than one sponsor. (Canon 794.) > > 638. In order that one may validly act as sponsor, he must: > 1. be confirmed himself, have the use of reason and the intention to act as > sponsor; > 2. not belong to an heretical or schismatic sect, nor be under any of the > penalties spoken of in Canon 765, n. 2, by a declaratory or condemnatory > sentence; > 3. not be the father, mother of, or married to, the one confirmed; > 4. be designated by the one to be confirmed, or by his parents, guardians, or > in their default or refusal to designate a sponsor, the minister or the > pastor may designate him. > 5. physically touch either in person or through a proxy the one confirmed in > the very act of Confirmation. (Canon 795.) > > 639. The requirements for licit sponsorship are: > 1. he should not be the sponsor of Baptism, unless there is a good reason > which is left to the judgment of the minister of Confirmation, or unless > Confirmation is given immediately after Baptism; > 2. he should be of the same sex as the one confirmed, unless the minister > allows an exception in particular cases and for good reasons; > 3. he must have the other requisites mentioned for Baptism in Canon 766. ( > Canon 796. ) > > Up until the 1917 code the church had collections of law that were changed > and added to by every Pope. The first set-in-soft-cement set of rules was the > 1917 code, which was then revised in 1983. Roman law is more flexible than > English/American law so it is always open to interpretation and that's why it > can vary from diocese to diocese and even from priest to priest. > > I hope this helps — and thanks George for finding the document I was looking > for! > > Joanne Grota Mercier > >> On Feb 9, 2016, at 2:53 PM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The Roman Catholic Church has hundreds of Canon laws and Canon lawyers. >> Like the secular legal system not all laws are understood clearly and when >> there are questions about what one can and can not do within the legal >> system one contacts a lawyer. When in question, if I understand it >> correctly, most clerics are not church lawyers and they would pose their >> questions to the Bishop's Office and Canon lawyers may or may not be >> consulted. >> >> The question about Canon law in 1600's is a good one and we do have to be >> careful about applying today's standards to a earlier time. Just in the last >> 50 years the Catholic Church has made many changes, like for example >> allowing annulments in marriage,and just look at what Pope Francis is trying >> to get the Cardinals and Bishops to look at in regards to contemporary >> social issues like divorce and remarriage. Some issues are left to the >> judgement of the local pastor who has the job of listening to each person's >> individual situation. Thus I am sure those of us from a catholic background >> have seen different decisions made in regards to similar situations. George >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 9, 2016, at 10:44 AM, "\"E\" Sharp" <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't know about Canon law, etc. but 15 years ago when my last grandson >>> was born his parents wanted his older brother 12 and sister 14 to be the >>> godparents and the priest at the church gave them a emphatic "no." They >>> had to be at least 16. >>> >>> "E" >>> >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >>> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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