My paternal grandfather was placed “on the wheel” in Sao Miguel. His baptism certificate states so. Placed there at 8 am on Dec 8, 1878 and adopted at 10 am the same day.
Gordon Soares > On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Babies could be left on someone's doorstep. Or they could be left at the > "roda" at the church. There's a small door on the church wall that when > opened, has a lazy Susan type thing in it. Offerings to the church were > placed on the roda (wheel). Sometimes the offerings were a baby. The purpose > for the roda was offerings, not just babies. I don't think they were equipped > with baby baskets (especially back in the day). I'm sure there are people on > this list who have seen these rodas. > > These babies were then turned over to the government who then paid a wet > nurse and a family to care for the child. If the child survived, that kid, at > the age of 7 (if I remember right), could stay with that family or go make > his own way. Many expostos did not survive. The family fed their own first. > > John Raposo has written on this in the past. If you search the archives, you > can find his postings about this. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty > <doughertychery...@gmail.com <mailto:doughertychery...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for anyone > else that didn't know. > In the old days they had a place where people could leave an unwanted > child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, etc. There > was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby basket, you > would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & then cared for. The > word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this context means, let's > say, abandoned. > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel > <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net <mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>> wrote: > Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still questions that > need to be figured out. This passport record states she is married so her > marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the records after 1905 > are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very hard to read Margaret > is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was wondering who the person > is above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? This writing is hard to read > I can only make the person’s fathers name Jose Pacheco. > > > > Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria Julia > Ferreira: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html > > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> > You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > From: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Margaret Vicente > Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM > To: azores > > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) > > > > > > It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is the > correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria Julia > Ferreira. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html > > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html> > > > Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was Married. > The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html > > <http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com > <mailto:jmro...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be found in > Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira Grande. The point > is, sometimes people moved around even though they would list only one > freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in one of the four or > five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. > > > > JR > > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel > wrote: > > I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I would > put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off from the > 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by two years, > not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more evidence. What > is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link the whole thing? > The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of Miguel as on this > latest Lucinda record. > > > > Rick > > > > From: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Cheryle Dougherty > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM > To: Azores Genealogy > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) > > > > Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There is a > Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I haven't > figured out the rest yet. > > > > On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel > <rfrancis...@comcast.net <mailto:rfrancis...@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the deaths of two > of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 daughter of Francisco > Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010) > > Rick > > > > From: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf > Of Richard Francis Pimentel > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM > > > To: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) > > > > To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May 1883: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html > > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> > This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in > all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The next > step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and > eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the best. > Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. > > > > I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is only one > Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but looking at all the > births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to this couple. > > > > > > Rick > > Richard Francis Pimentel > > Epping, NH > > > > Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and Ponta > Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores > > > > > > > > From: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > [mailto...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mailto...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Richard Francis Pimentel > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM > To: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) > > > > Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the passenger not > the names of the parents (unless they are also passengers). > > > > I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that Honerio came to > the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way you can show the > complete record of the snippit you show below? > > The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you have shown > us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying Manuel Arruda > to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is one of the two > Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. > > Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not the last > name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it is one of the > two Lucinda’s > > > > At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was the Romanic > in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was this the port > she arrived at? > > > > I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when she married. > If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could have married in > Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must have been after 1905. > > > > Rick > > > > > > From: azo...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com> > [mailto...@googlegroups.com <mailto:mailto...@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of > Cheri Mello > Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM > To: Azores Genealogy > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) > > > > Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha > > Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina > > Father Jose C. Pacheco > > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty <doughert...@gmail.com > <mailto:doughert...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel Arruba > for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in ship log. > She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that she is coming to > is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. Maybe you might > come up with a different name. 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