Yes, I notice that too, although I did also see some women born out of wedlock who did marry. Perhaps, they were later legitimized and that changed their status?
Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: nancy jean baptiste Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:05 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference? Sam, One thing I noticed while indexing the Sao Jorge obits is that so many women who had children out of marriage were daughters of women who also had children out of wedlock.... Nancy Jean From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference? Interesting how they recorded this stuff. Cheri, or anyone, do you know if there was a stigma attached to the child or to the parents for that matter? I found it somewhat surprising that in the record I found it stated that the husband had been “away for over 300 days” Certainly leaves no doubt that the baby wasn’t his. So many scenarios in my mind for when/if the husband returns. What happens to the baby? Mom keeps it, it goes in the roda, dad keeps it. I did find one record where the mom wasn’t listed, only the dad. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:15 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference? The "adulterer" term isn't used as in today's definition. Basically, one (or both) parties were married. I have one record in my family where Francisco was single, Maria was married to So-and-So. Francisco and Maria had a baby. Francisco was listed as the adulterer. By today's definition, Maria was the adultress and Francisco having relations with a married woman isn't a nice thing, but I can't think of a "proper" word for that in the English language. I know lots of name-calling terms for that, but I don't think there's a proper word for a single man who has a relationship with a married woman. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca <jessdebmendo...@gmail.com> wrote: While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto definition includes not known. Could that be the difference? On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni <leonor.bert...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Sam, I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the couple were not married at all. On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: Happy Friday morning everyone; As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is “natural de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father. On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly) Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways. I understand that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that, what are the differences? Thanks for educating me,. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) Virus-free. www.avast.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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