Steve, Have you uploaded your DNA to FTDNA.com? It is free. I don’t know whether it is free to get the y-dna results, also; but I would try it. Your Haplogroup may be a big help. My husband’s haplogroup is apparently the most common in the world, making it less productive with matches, I believe.
I am beginning to search Souza on Sao Miguel because I have discovered that Luiz Souza’s son began using the surname LUIZ on his wedding records [his father was deceased] in the mid 1800s. I will keep you in mind. I am interested in knowing if you are only checking those who immigrated to the East Coast. I ask, because DNA matches have shown me that an uncle most likely went to Trinidad, Barbados near the same time my husbands grandfather brought his family to Hawaii in 1898. I hope you’re feeling better. Debbie Shepherd Mendonca (jessdebmendonca at gmail.com) Researching: 1. LUIZ surname— including Luiz de SOUZA, PIMENTEL, Antonio CABRAL, and PEREIRA—on Sao Miguel (Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada) and North Kohala, Hawaii, Hawaii 2. MENDONCA and AGUIAR surnames on Madeira (Santana, but perhaps other places); Sao Paulo, Brazil; Hawi, Hawaii, Hawaii; Oakland, San Leandro, and San Jose in California On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steve Stevens <steve.stevens....@cox.net> wrote: > I know I sound screwed up, blame it on the drugs (have bronchitis and > taking cough syrup with codeine) but the information I have, even coming > from relatives, is screwed up. First of all my name, my grand parents > changed their name from Soza to Stevens 27 Feb 1924 believing that my great > grand father was actually an Estevez vice Soza. I have no idea how they got > there except a great uncle also mentioned it to a family member before he > died. So I never had a chance to be "right." > > The DNA test was a y-46 DNA test at Ancestry.com. Dyslexia runs in the > family. The test results which I have attached show Haplogroup R1b "The > Artisans" they say. You may use the data if you wish I have no intention > right now of paying for another subscription, just updated to Ancestry > World and have found that to be a waste for me. > > Searching the Passport site you provided, I looked through 1884 and 1885 > as this seems to be the most often recorded years for his immigration and > found some that caught my eye, but need translation if you will: > > p.8 #55 > p.20 #181, 182 > p.52 #152 > p.53 #158 > p.59 #223 > p.75 #14 > p.101 #266 > p.102 #273 > p.104 #285 > > Working my way through the whole book. Too bad someone didn't index this. > I would if I could read it better. > > > > > > On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> Sorry, I misread then. In the Portuguese based records, you are looking >> for parents named João de Souza and Maria da Silva, but I doubt she's >> listed that way. She'll be a Maria Religious Middle Name. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM Steve Stevens <steve.s...@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> Thanks again. His parents were John Soza and Mary Silva. I will search >>> the site you referenced, thanks. >>> >>> On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 2:19:06 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Steve, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the timeline. That helps a lot. These are all records you've >>>> done from online searches? Not everything is online, especially the >>>> naturalizations. Currently, it's around $65 to do a search (and no >>>> guarantee they'll find the right Manuel). The fees are slated to go to a >>>> few HUNDRED for just a search. $300 or so. >>>> >>>> Even though your Manuel did not personally provide the information for >>>> the obituary, I'd use that. The person telling his life story probably got >>>> the island right. But to search for Manuel de Souzas leaving Terceira >>>> between 1885-1887 will turn up a lot. You said his parents were Joao Souza >>>> and Maria Reis. It will be tedious, but you can go page by page, looking >>>> for a Manuel de Souza born to a Joao de Souza and Maria Reis: >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890/PASSAPORTES-TER-1884-1890_item1/index.html >>>> >>>> However, for that time period, I don't think his mom will be listed as >>>> Maria Reis. She'll be Maria Religious Name. She was probably a daughter of >>>> a Reis and that information is not listed in the passaportes. >>>> >>>> Do you have Manuel's siblings' information? That might turn up clues. >>>> Because he's a Manuel de Souza though, DNA is probably going to be your >>>> best bet. >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Stevens <steve.s...@cox.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah I'm sure A Manuel Sousa entered 2 Dec 1887 on Ship Bark Sarah >>>>> 19/1 Male Laborer Fayal, Fall River Forward 2 bags, but not sure it is My >>>>> Manual Sousa. >>>>> >>>>> Let me start from my beginning journey on researching him. >>>>> >>>>> 1. 1900 Census Massachusetts, Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >>>>> 34B, ED 9, shows my g-grandfather on line 51 as Souza, Manuel, b. Feb >>>>> 1868, >>>>> age 32, married 9 years, births of he, father and mother Western Islands, >>>>> year of immigration given as 1890, been here 10 years and still Alien and >>>>> a >>>>> laborer. >>>>> >>>>> 2. 1910 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >>>>> 11B, ED 10, line 60, Soza, Manuel this time year of immigration is 1887 >>>>> and >>>>> he is still an alien. >>>>> >>>>> 3. 1920 Census Massachusetts Barnstable County, Town of Falmouth, Sht >>>>> 16B, ED 12, line 76, Soza, Manuel back to 1885 and naturalized 1919 >>>>> >>>>> 4. Obituary reveals this information: Born 28 Jan 1868 (note conflict >>>>> with 1900 Census of Feb 1868) in Terceira, Azores >>>>> >>>>> Now given a birth date of either 28 Jan or Feb 1868, immigration >>>>> between 1885 and 1887 and naturalized in 1919, I turned to immigration and >>>>> naturalization records: >>>>> >>>>> Index to Naturalization Records: >>>>> Massachusetts State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950, >>>>> >>>>> closest match Manoel de Souza, country of birth or allegiance >>>>> Portugal, birth 28 Feb 1868, date of naturalization 5 Nov 1897 (conflict >>>>> with 1920 Census >>>>> >>>>> Name: Manoel De Souza >>>>> Petition Age: 30 >>>>> Record Type: Petition >>>>> Birth Date: 28 Feb 1868 >>>>> Birth Place: St Michael Azores >>>>> Arrival Date: 16 Apr 1885 >>>>> Arrival Place: Boston >>>>> Petition Date: 9 Nov 1897 >>>>> Petition Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA >>>>> Boston Passenger List 1820-1943- >>>>> July 1884, Ship Acoriano, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, St >>>>> Meguells, US, Steerage >>>>> November 1885, Ship Benguella, Manuel S 18, M, Tourist, Portugal, >>>>> Portugal, Cuba, 3, Cabin,,V >>>>> April 1886, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel B de Sousa, 18/3, Male Laborer, , >>>>> Flores, , , Steerage Forward, >>>>> 2 Dec 1887, Ship Bark Sarah, Manuel Sousa, 19/1, Male, Laborer, Fayal, >>>>> Fall River, Forward, 2 bags >>>>> April 1888, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel da Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >>>>> Grasiosa, Grasiosa, USA, Steerage >>>>> April 1889, Ship Forest Fairy, Manuel de Souza, 18, Male, Laborer, >>>>> Portugal, Western Islands >>>>> >>>>> There is a Manoel de Souza vermintol who matches almost identically >>>>> much, but don't undersrtand the "vermintol" on the British Basque Paladin >>>>> and he is from Sao Miguel >>>>> >>>>> Name >>>>> Manoel De souza vemintol >>>>> Birth >>>>> abt 1868 >>>>> Departure >>>>> Azores >>>>> Arrival >>>>> Boston, Massachusetts, USA 17 Apr 1885 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Going to cut it short here to hear what you have to say. Thanks a >>>>> bunch for the help, I think it cleared things up in my own mind at least >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 6:22:11 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Steve S, >>>>>> Are you sure about that? I can't find a Manuel Souza coming into >>>>>> Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from Flores. But I found a Manuel Souza >>>>>> coming into Boston on 2 Dec 1887 on the Sarah from FAIAL. It's getting to >>>>>> be confusing. First you said it was Sao Miguel island, then Flores >>>>>> island, >>>>>> but I find Faial island. What documents do you have that say Sao Miguel? >>>>>> What documents say Flores? Depending on your answers to those questions >>>>>> will point to the right solution. Otherwise, it's a wild goose chase. >>>>>> >>>>>> You did a Y-DNA test with which company? Family Tree DNA or Ancestry? >>>>>> They are 2 different companies. Ancestry did Y-DNA testing years ago, but >>>>>> they didn't test 64 markers. FTDNA has a Y-DNA 67 test, if that is what >>>>>> you >>>>>> mean. If you did it with Ancestry, you can transfer their Y-DNA 33 or >>>>>> Y-DNA >>>>>> 46 over to FTDNA (if you downloaded the raw data file). You won't get 33 >>>>>> or >>>>>> 46 markers though, as they aren't all compatible. You can make them >>>>>> compatible by providing a swab and paying a fee: >>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>> >>>>>> If you did a Y-DNA test with FTDNA, you can join the Azores DNA >>>>>> Project. You didn't directly say that your Stephens is a corruption of >>>>>> Souza though. I'm guessing by your signature. And if you did test with >>>>>> FTDNA, you need to add the Family Finder test. It's another tool to use. >>>>>> Y-DNA testing is a direct line test - your father's father's father's >>>>>> line >>>>>> only. Family Finder (autosomal DNA testing) covers all your lines going >>>>>> back about 200 years from your birth. You'd have to tease them apart. If >>>>>> you did an Ancestry DNA test (like the ones you see on TV), you did an >>>>>> autosomal DNA test and these transfer over to FTDNA. You get matches for >>>>>> free. The tools and ethnicity estimates are $19. >>>>>> >>>>>> Set me straight on your island and hopefully I can point you in the >>>>>> right direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 3:00 PM Steve Stevens <steve.s...@cox.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the information you provided. I have some other >>>>>>> information, but is does not match up to San Miguel. It saya Terceira. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did the 64 Y-DNA test years ago and Ancestry chose not to use >>>>>>> these with their new DNA test. I can provide the results if it would >>>>>>> help, >>>>>>> but it looks like I can not join the DNA group without a new test. I >>>>>>> believe I have his entry into Boston, from Flores on the bark Sarah 2 >>>>>>> dec >>>>>>> 1887 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve Stevens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Steve S, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sousa is the modern Portuguese spelling. Before 1911 you will see >>>>>>>> Souza. At least in the Portuguese records. The set of records you'll be >>>>>>>> dealing with won't be the Civil Registers but the Church records. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, Souza/Sousa and Silva are 2 of the most common names. Records >>>>>>>> over there are organized on the village level. You have to know the >>>>>>>> village, especially when you are dealing with Sao Miguel island. That >>>>>>>> island alone holds half the population of the Azores and has >>>>>>>> approximately >>>>>>>> 70 churches to look through. It's a needle in a haystack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have the immigration date. Unfortunately, the emigration >>>>>>>> leaving the port of Ponta Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel has some >>>>>>>> gaps >>>>>>>> in the records. That 1885-1886 is one gap. The records are simply >>>>>>>> missing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If none of your research has turned up a village (called a >>>>>>>> freguesia) on your Manuel, you'll have to research his sisters and find >>>>>>>> their immigration and naturalizations. And you'll most likely have to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> DNA. Your matches might point towards a particular region on Sao >>>>>>>> Miguel. Or >>>>>>>> maybe you'll find a cousin. If your parent(s) are alive test them >>>>>>>> first. If >>>>>>>> they are not alive, test their sibling(s). If they are not alive, then >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> are the best candidate for the DNA test. Order through the Azores DNA >>>>>>>> Project on Family Tree DNA. Use this link: >>>>>>>> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands >>>>>>>> You want the Family Finder which is on sale for $49 (+$12.95 S&H - >>>>>>>> includes return postage if you still reside in the U.S.). The sale ends >>>>>>>> tonight (Jan. 2) at 11:59 pm PST. >>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:23 AM Steve Stevens <steve.s...@cox.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello all! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just found this group while digging for Azores civil records or >>>>>>>>> information. My great-grandfather Manuel/Manoel de Sousa/Souza was >>>>>>>>> born >>>>>>>>> about 28 February 1868 in ST. Michael/Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal and >>>>>>>>> immigrated to the US about 16 April 1885/86 at Boston, MA. He was >>>>>>>>> naturalized 5 Nov 1897. According to marriage records, his parents >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> John Soza and Mary Silva. Knowing that these names are like Smith and >>>>>>>>> Jones >>>>>>>>> in the US, I was hoping for some help locating Portuguese records for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> family. He had three sisters, Mary (abt1871-1933), Marion Augusta (abt >>>>>>>>> 1875-1943) and Gertrude Alice (???-aft 1943). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any help would be most appreciated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve Stevens (Souza) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/01aba5af-ace1-446e-b253-ccf5c66bc1ee%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/5ea0d2cf-f18f-4b04-8e34-2149ebc4e6b1%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/0195b844-67b1-4814-9fa4-b697dca243ec%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azo...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fa2a3371-ca85-47ed-9ef4-de1db5434bc3%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/fa2a3371-ca85-47ed-9ef4-de1db5434bc3%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/ebdfa7fb-2f0a-4b15-853e-6ec786bc2f02%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/ebdfa7fb-2f0a-4b15-853e-6ec786bc2f02%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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